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I had a 348 Win and now have a Marlin 444. The 348 Win was a joy to carry but I need the scope. Either one is plenty for deer.
My 348 Win reloading stuff is in the classifieds. Hope to sell before I break down and buy a Browning 71 that I don't have use for....

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Originally Posted by Bugger
Originally Posted by Rossimp
A 265 gr .430” bullet load at 2,066 fps, what a joke. Even Hornady’s over-the-counter load had a MV of 2,350 fps for the 265 gr FP 444 Marlin load. Also, how many game animals have been taken at 300 yards with a 348 Win and open sights? Why not compare to a 444 Marlin loaded with a 280 gr load at 2,250 fps (CorBon load), how about a 335 gr load at 2,125 fps (that’s an Underwood Ammo Load) out at 200 yards. Showing a bit of bias towards the 348 Win in lieu of factual ballistics.

I looked at Load data and that was the fastest 265 grain load listed.

The point is the 444 loses energy fast with poorer SD and BC. It also has more of a rainbow trajectory. What’s the upside to that?

I have shown what was a typical load. Sorry your favorite didn’t show to well.


i use a 280gr WNGC and Reloder 7 that goes 1937fps in my 444 Marlin and TC Encore with a 23" MGM barrel. i have done
2300fps+ with a 275gr Ranch Dog, 280gr WFN and LFN GC with Reloder 7. i have also done 2300fps+ on a 265gr Hornady FN with Reloder 7 and H4198.

i use the 444 for 100 yards and less for deer and black bear. mostly they are shot at 30 - 40 yards. they either fall down or jog about 20ish yards and then fall down.

if your dead set on using the 444 and maximum loads, then go to Hornady's manual and 265gr FN goes 2200 with Rel7 and H4198 or 265gr FXT with A1680 goes 2300fps.

i never bother with SD or BC when i am shooting deer. all they are, is just a number(s) for guys who shoot at long distances.

my load is quite weak, but i don't have to put up with strong recoil. also i use a Husqvarna m46 in 9.3x57 with a 275gr WFN GC and IMR4895 that goes 1900+/-fps (i haven't chronograph it yet). i think the max load is around 2200fps for the 275gr WFN GC . but why bother, it still puts down deer.


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I have owned probably a dozen Winchester Model 71s over 40 years and these .348s have taken everything
from my best 295 pound white tail to a large interior Alaskan bull moose. Nothing shot over 110 yards, as I am an old skool still/stalk hunter.
My remaining pre-war 5 Model 71s include two 450 Alaskans-that wildcat will just about handle anything in North America.

I have heard of the 444 caliber but my preferences are made by Winchester, and I own no lever action rifles with "extra" dangerous safeties.
John Browning designed the 1886 and Winchester refined the 86 and the original Model 71. Hunting is too serious in grizzly country to settle
for less than the best in rifle and caliber.

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We all have our preferences.
I have scopes on my 99’s and had one on a BLR.
I don’t have any scope on a 1895, 336, 94, 71 etc.

I had a 444 until the late 70’s, early 80’s. I had planned on using different molds I had but nothing worked right. The best load was with a jacketed bullet and I had no desire for that.

The ‘71 I have, shoots bug holes at 50 yards with cast bullets and shoots jacketed bullets well too.

I can’t find any reason to own a 444 anymore. Compared to a 348, there’s no plus for me. Also I have 45-70’s and have lots of cast loads that work well in them.

I’m glad there’s people that like the 444. There’s a lot of cartridges I’d like to see remain available.

If I were to have another 444, it would be on a single shot action and I’d be working with various molds.


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