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I was wondering if a 220 grain was over kill for black bears. Or should I just shoot 180’s instead? Your thoughts?
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A 220 is more than needed, but use what you like. With a 30-06 I'd use the same loads I'd use on deer for black bear.
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A 220 is more than needed, but use what you like. With a 30-06 I'd use the same loads I'd use on deer for black bear. Agreed. They aren't any harder to kill than a deer. There is a saying: "A well hit bear won't go as far as a well hit deer, but a poorly hit bear will go much farther than a poorly hit deer". That's been my experience. Concentrate on your shot placement, not necessarily the power of the cartridge.
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A person could make a case that anything more powerful than 30-30 was over kill. I used 220 gr RN for years for elk.I sure would change up even if if I thought they were over kill for a bear. What's it going to pencil thru and not kill them?
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Use the 180's or if you want a 200 grain bullet. The black bear won't know the difference.
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I have some Remington Factory 30-06 loaded with 220s. It’s absolutely miserable to shoot out of my HVA Lightweight. I imagine this must be what rabbit hunting is like for ElkhunterNM. There should be a CTE warning on the box.
Let me know if you want to buy them. I’ve probably got a half a dozen boxes.
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They work well and I would have no hesitation to use them if that is what I had on hand. If I already had the 220s I would use them but if not, I would use 180s instead. I had a pre-64 Win M-70 with receiver sight that shot 220 gr Core-Lokts pretty accurately. I took two black bears in the mid-200# range and a couple of deer with that combo before I sold the rifle.
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No such thing as "overkill", just different length bloodtrails. If you can't find the start of a bloodtrail because the carcass is covering it you've found a perfect load.
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I bought a BUNCH of Hornady 220s that were on sale. I have a dedicated 3006 "hog rifle" and they do penetrate, even on the largest hogs and I purposely aim for their "hog plate" on their shoulders.
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I have some Remington Factory 30-06 loaded with 220s. It’s absolutely miserable to shoot out of my HVA Lightweight. I imagine this must be what rabbit hunting is like for ElkhunterNM. There should be a CTE warning on the box.
Let me know if you want to buy them. I’ve probably got a half a dozen boxes. Maybe.
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I killed my 2 Colorado black bears with 180 grain Winchester "Power Points" out of my 30/06. The 1st was DRT. The 2nd went about 100 yards before piling up. Both were shot over bait @ 50 yards.
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I used to read a lot of Petersen's Hunting magazines. One of their featured staff writers wrote about going on a black bear hunt on Vancouver Island which is 1/2 open to bear hunting. He used 180 grain bullets and needed 6 shots to bring down a black bear with a .308. He had spotted it in the open and didn't want it to escape into the woods. He was disappointed with the 180's and that tainted my opinion. I don't think that the .30-06 is too much different than the .308. In order to be prepared for the large black bears it's better to be safe than sorry. I would load with the larger bullets and hope for a shot at the biggest bear in the woods.
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I havent seen a black bear yet that I wouldnt shoot with my light loaded 150 grain in an '06...
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Principle I work off of, is people like what they like. Use what you want, the bear won't care, nor know any difference.
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I havent seen a black bear yet that I wouldnt shoot with my light loaded 150 grain in an '06... I think the .270 Ingwe would work with a 130 grain bullet too.
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The OP doesn't say where he's located or going to hunt. Click this link if you want to see a couple of harvested Vancouver Island black bears.--->>> Vancouver Island Black Bears
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I havent seen a black bear yet that I wouldnt shoot with my light loaded 150 grain in an '06... agree 100% with that statement... That being said, when I lived in MN and hunted up north near the Canadian border south of International Falls...always carried a 30/06, and the factory ammo in the magazine was ALWAYS a 220 grain Round Nose...that is one deep penetrating bullet, regardless of angle... its still my favorite bullet for the 06....along with the 220 grain SMP Partition.
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With modern bullet construction, there's no need for anything special to hunt black bears. Your deer load will work fine.
That being said..... I currently have an R700 set up to shoot 220s, and I carried it for bear last year. That's for my entertainment though not out of necessity.
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I was wondering if a 220 grain was over kill for black bears. Or should I just shoot 180’s instead? Your thoughts? I would. I have Woodleigh's and Partitions on my shelf. John
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