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Well yeah, NOTHING performs like a Barnes!  Of course, that all depends on your definition of “performs” If you like high BC bullets for taking game at extended ranges, many bullets out perform Barnes.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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When comes to killings things quick many bullets outperform Barnes.
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I wonder if Sierra have learnt any lessons from Nosler and Hornady with their early plastic tip bullets. Both were known for being a bit fragile in the beginning. Sierras promo video shows the GC expanding and holding together well but sometimes real life results differ to promo videos.
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I'm running the 6mm 90 grainer in a 243 right now...
............... I'm interested in the 6mm 90 grain game changer, specifically on how it would perform at lower speeds.....like from a 6x45. I settled on an old standby load, for what I can 30/30 ranges... which is woods ranges by other folks definition.. the load is 30 grains of IMR 4198....MV in the 2500 fps range... Regarding Steve Ridgewell's post of the pricing in Canuckia.... I have bought 30 boxes, packaged in 50 count....got them at Sportsman's Warehouse... the price with my military discount, was $14.25 per box in American Money. not sure what the exchange rate is running as I haven't been in Canada since 2002. That price in on par with a Nosler 90 grain Ballistic Tip box of 50.... actually a little cheaper... Now I just need a volunteer Bambi to make the ultimate sacrifice...if I can get away from "Obligations".. and just go out hunting....
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I'm running the 6mm 90 grainer in a 243 right now...
............... I'm interested in the 6mm 90 grain game changer, specifically on how it would perform at lower speeds.....like from a 6x45. I settled on an old standby load, for what I can 30/30 ranges... which is woods ranges by other folks definition.. the load is 30 grains of IMR 4198....MV in the 2500 fps range... ................. Please let me know how it goes when you get that volunteer. That speed and the distance you list are right in line for my planned use of the 6x45....right now I've loaded 85 grain partitions to start with. Thanks!
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When comes to killings things quick many bullets outperform Barnes. My experience is quite the opposite. Happy Trails
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When comes to killings things quick many bullets outperform Barnes. My experience is quite the opposite. Happy Trails +1
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I ran some 90 grain GCs through the 22” 1-9” twist .243 the other day. All loads were set at 2.80” (Mag length)
43 grains of IMR 4350 clocked 3175. I shot 1 round each from 41 grains to 43.5 grains.... 5 rounds total, they went about 3/4”.... I’m going to load up a dozen at 43 and run them out to 600.
47.5 grains of RE23 clocked 3210. I only shot 3 rounds of RE23... but they went about 3/4” also. I’ll probably load up a few of these and shoot them at 600 also...
I made up a half-dozen with a nice mellow load of 37.5 grains IMR 4064 that clocked 3050 and shot under 3” at 450 (in a pretty solid wind). BC seems to be spot on at .49.... but 1/4 mile isn’t exactly a stern test of BC.
It looks like they’ll shoot well, and it appears the .490 BC is legit. I’m planning on using them on antelope next week.
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Ah yes, this thread has morphed into yet another "Barnes is Best."
In my field experience (which includes over 150 Barnes X's going back the original and blue-coated XLC), they kill very well when put through the shoulders or spine, or even very close to the spine. They don't kill as well as, say, Sierras when put through the lungs behind the shoulders, for a very simple reason: They don't do as much damage to the lungs, because Barnes X's don't partially fragment (at least not much) compared to lead-core bullets.
This is also why Barnes X's don't ruin as much meat as lead-cored bullets. But you can't have it both ways.
I have also found the statement "NOTHING performs like a Barnes" not to be true. I have also seen a bunch of other monolithics used on various big game animals from pronghorn to moose in North America, and springbok to eland in Africa. The Hornady GMX and Nosler E-Tip do exactly the same things, as far as I've been able to tell, whether wound channels, weight retention, deep penetration, or lack of meat damage.
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My bullet can beat-up your bullet...
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My bullet can beat-up your bullet... Yeah, what he said, or better yet, perhaps a tongue in cheek icon needs to be made available....Sometimes I can't help myself when I see the other end of the spectrum as in "TTSXs would be my last choice" drivel...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I like the bullet banter but it is difficult to not sound like locker room talkr at some point. The TTSX definately don't suck. Game changers? Hmm I can't think of one shot I have made where they would have made a difference. Maybe it could have helped with some of the misses. I still have not wrung out the ELD-Xs yet. I keep admiring them and then proceed to load up more Barnes, Noslers and Hornadays. Too many bullets not enough time.
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I would like to try the .243" 90 grain SGC in my .240 Wby. .240 is a different animal than the .243. I tried the 90 gr. Scenar in my .240, made soup of a WT chest. Nasty clean up at the skinning shed. No more that combo for me. That bullet would probably do better in a .243. Not sure about the 90 gr. SGC, how it may compare to the 90 gr. Scenar. Hopefully, it's tougher. I'd want more info before trying it on game with the .240. DF
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I have boxes of Gamechangers, 6.5 and .308, ready for loading and testing once work slows down. I have a year's collection of newspapers to soak. A few years back, in preparation for a goat hunt, I tested a number of bullets for accuracy and performance in wet newsprint. Both the Game King and the Pro Hunter performed much better than I expected. They were as accurate as the Berger VLDs I was using at the time and penetrated and expanded very well. The Hornady Interlock and Interbond also performed well. The Barnes bullets did as I expected: decent but not impressive accuracy and deep penetration with about 98% weight retention. The MRX bullets were amazing for penetration out of a .300WSM. With a box of those bullets you could literally chop down a fair-sized tree.
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Ah yes, this thread has morphed into yet another "Barnes is Best."
In my field experience (which includes over 150 Barnes X's going back the original and blue-coated XLC), they kill very well when put through the shoulders or spine, or even very close to the spine. They don't kill as well as, say, Sierras when put through the lungs behind the shoulders, for a very simple reason: They don't do as much damage to the lungs, because Barnes X's don't partially fragment (at least not much) compared to lead-core bullets.
This is also why Barnes X's don't ruin as much meat as lead-cored bullets. But you can't have it both ways.
I have also found the statement "NOTHING performs like a Barnes" not to be true. I have also seen a bunch of other monolithics used on various big game animals from pronghorn to moose in North America, and springbok to eland in Africa. The Hornady GMX and Nosler E-Tip do exactly the same things, as far as I've been able to tell, whether wound channels, weight retention, deep penetration, or lack of meat damage. Spot on. You cant claim things like "eat up to the hole", "less blood shot", etc on one hand and then in the other claim they kill as fast as lead and copper bullets. They simply dont, unless the CNS is hit and with placement like that most any bullet kills pretty quickly.
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I would like to try the .243" 90 grain SGC in my .240 Wby. .240 is a different animal than the .243. I tried the 90 gr. Scenar in my .240, made soup of a WT chest. Nasty clean up at the skinning shed. No more that combo for me. That bullet would probably do better in a .243. Not sure about the 90 gr. SGC, how it may compare to the 90 gr. Scenar. Hopefully, it's tougher. I'd want more info before trying it on game with the .240. DF Interesting DF. I do have a .243 Winchester and I can load them in it.
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Just a thought - instead of "SGC" for this bullet, Sierra lists it as TGK, for Tipped GameKing, which is consistent with the Matchking (SMK) and Tipped MatchKing (TGK) lines. The "Gamechanger" thing is just marketing and a play on "Gameking", nothing more.
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Jacket thickness looks good on the GC not as thick as a BT but much better than a Scenar. I quit Sierras because I was using the bullets in the wrong applications. Matchkings are not game bullets just like they say. Also the 308 cal 150s are perfect in a 308 or 30-06 in a 300 magnum not so much. Still I will let others do the initial testing.
MTRancher if you want to try some 103 ELD-Xs for comparison to the 90 GC I can send you some. I hope they work in my 6mmAI the ELD-xs as it is twisted for the 105s and I am happy with the 95 grainers from Nosler already. No reason to change other than curiosity.
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When comes to killings things quick many bullets outperform Barnes. My experience is quite the opposite. Happy Trails +1 +2
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When comes to killings things quick many bullets outperform Barnes. I haven't shot enough animals with Barnes to form a valid opinion, but here's what I do know. This past Summer I killed two axis bucks. First one was on a trip with Ingwe to Del Rio, TX and I was using a 7-08 with 120 BT's. The second was near Eden, TX and I wanted to get the Creed bloodied so I carried it loaded with 120 TTSX's. I shot both animals in the identical spot, broadside straight through the shoulders. The BT did not exit, but was found under off-side hide perfectly mushroomed, and that buck dropped like a prom dress, having not taken a step. The other one taken with the TTSX (exited of course) ran about 40 yards and fell over dead.
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