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Good deal, you have hunted those same big bodied bucks for more years than I have. I Know the 30-06 is an excellent cartridge for this purpose, but i love the few hundred fps gain i get with the .300 Win shooting the same bullets.....As far as long range goes i have no experience shooting at big game over 300 yds (400+ yds on groundhogs ...lol) but common sense says 500yd plus shots at game is gettin iffy and even irresponsible for the shooting skills of most hunters.....and that certainly includes Me......Hb VA . . . I understand. Beyond my skills as well, and I don't have access to a range that allows me to reach that skill level. But others obviously do, and see benefits to LOTS of practice with a 6.5 rather than a 300WM. I won't argue with their choice. Seems practical to me. IMO the Creedmoor success is due to: 1) great high BC 6.5 bullets 2) a wide array of available rifles in all price ranges, twisted properly for the high BC 6.5 bullets 3) a case that fits well in a 2.8-ish inch magazine 4) a lot of high-quality, accurate, low-cost factory ammo Beyond that, low recoil allows some hunters to practice enough to regularly make those (amazing to me) long range shots.
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You must have been in a cave for the last 2 years if you need education on the 6.5 Creedmoor.
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Good deal, you have hunted those same big bodied bucks for more years than I have. I Know the 30-06 is an excellent cartridge for this purpose, but i love the few hundred fps gain i get with the .300 Win shooting the same bullets.....As far as long range goes i have no experience shooting at big game over 300 yds (400+ yds on groundhogs ...lol) but common sense says 500yd plus shots at game is gettin iffy and even irresponsible for the shooting skills of most hunters.....and that certainly includes Me......Hb VA . . . I understand. Beyond my skills as well, and I don't have access to a range that allows me to reach that skill level. But others obviously do, and see benefits to LOTS of practice with a 6.5 rather than a 300WM. I won't argue with their choice. Seems practical to me. IMO the Creedmoor success is due to: 1) great high BC 6.5 bullets 2) a wide array of available rifles in all price ranges, twisted properly for the high BC 6.5 bullets 3) a case that fits well in a 2.8-ish inch magazine 4) a lot of high-quality, accurate, low-cost factory ammo Beyond that, low recoil allows some hunters to practice enough to regularly make those (amazing to me) long range shots. I agree, all of your points are valid, the 6.5 Creed is an excellent long range target cartridge BUT I dont think its so much better a cartridge as to have some shooters shouting from the rooftops that its the cartridge to end all cartridges......All the hoopla is getting a little old.....Hb
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Lol....i fixed it, thanks for posting the youtube video.......Hb
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The only guys you ever see carrying .300 mags around here are greenhorns from NYC/Long Island/ New Jersey. They seem to think deer are 800 lbs and nearly bullet proof. The third biggest buck I've killed weighed 172 dressed and fell to one 50 gr. sp. from a .222 through the lungs. The 6.5 CM is more than enough for the biggest whitetail that ever lived.
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Don't like it, don't shoot it... It's that simple. Why the need to whine about it?
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The only guys you ever see carrying .300 mags around here are greenhorns from NYC/Long Island/ New Jersey. They seem to think deer are 800 lbs and nearly bullet proof. The third biggest buck I've killed weighed 172 dressed and fell to one 50 gr. sp. from a .222 through the lungs. The 6.5 CM is more than enough for the biggest whitetail that ever lived. I get a kick out of people who carry a 300 Mag for Whitetailed deer. You have to wonder what they're compensating for? But if they're under 5'10" then I automatically know what it's for.
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But others obviously do, and see benefits to LOTS of practice with a 6.5 rather than a 300WM.
I won't argue with their choice. Seems practical to me.
IMO the Creedmoor success is due to: 1) great high BC 6.5 bullets 2) a wide array of available rifles in all price ranges, twisted properly for the high BC 6.5 bullets 3) a case that fits well in a 2.8-ish inch magazine 4) a lot of high-quality, accurate, low-cost factory ammo
Beyond that, low recoil allows some hunters to practice enough to regularly make those (amazing to me) long range shots.
You’re missing an important point on your list imo. 5) a rifle built to get the most out of the CM. Chamber, barrel length, twist rate...the manufacturers seem to be doing it correctly, right out of the gate for this one. You naked a biggie too. Recoil make it soooo nice to practice with.
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I get a kick outta guys who get a kick outta guys that don't need permission to like what they like.
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If folks are killing deer effectively and efficiently in an ethical manner, passing on the tradition to the next generation and being good stewards of the habitat, who gives a [bleep] what cartridge they're using. Inside 500yds there is not enough difference in effectiveness to argue about. Dead animals is dead animals.
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[quote=VaHillbilly] the (lack of)shooting skills of most hunters.....and that certainly includes Me......Hb
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The ballistic ignorance is thick on this thread.
Why are people so offended by a cartridge??? Hahaha..... well all I know is my 300mag can beat up your 6.5 Creedmoor.......
Shooting northern whitetail??? That’s a southern deer as far as I’m concerned being that I live in northern Alberta. I shot a buck broadside in the front shoulder with the all might 300wsm and a ttsx, that buck got away. My son shot a buck in the ribs broadside with a 243 and it dropped within 50yds. Both deer were at 400yds.
I laugh every time I hear the 6.5 compared to a 300 magnum or every time I hear an uneducated hunter who thinks a headstamp will magically kill critters.
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Three or four of you guys made really good points and I appreciate the intelligent responses.
Love him or hate him, Boxer knows what he's talking about as well and he's right, "bullets matter more than head stamps" especially under 500 yards as Brad stated.
I did gain enough info from this thread to make a decision.
Thanks for playing.
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I really had no interest in the 6.5 Creedmoor to the point that I traded into one a few years ago and never bothered to shoot it. I became interested in experimenting and bought one of the Tikkas when Whittakers did the initial run. That Tikka may have been the most accurate production rifle I had ever fired to that time and it would even do it with factory ammo. I have since acquired two other Creedmoors of different brands and they too shoot like the Tikka and will do so with factory ammo. I love the 7-08 in that it is a light recoiling and easy to get to shoot round but the 6.5 is starting to edge it out for me in that handloads and factory shoot equally in that cartridge.
If you don't shoot past 600 yards, either will work.
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Here's another log for the 'fire....
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Here's another log for the 'fire.... Wow, my 280ai with the 150 ABLR sure looks like a killer on that chart, I know moose don’t like it.
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Holy shiit if that don’t get the lazy lying fuuck out of his hole I dunno what will!!!! Haha
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What a epic cartridge comparison!!!! The difference betwixt the 2 can mean the difference between, “successful “ and “not successful “”!!!! Very serious decision here!!!!
Can you hit deer sized targets at 1400 yards with a fixed 6???? That’s another very important question the lying slizzering fuuck will ask!!!! I mean this is serious hunting shiit we’re talking about here!!!!
Another question, do you have a 6 month long season with 5 deer tags??? That’s another thing to consider!!!!
And yet another question, do the bear in your area schlep kelp via the beach????
These are all questions you need to ask prior to buying/building said cartridges!!!! Serious shiit!!! Alaska is tough!!! Especially when your a dumbfuuck!!!
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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I have one 6½ Creed...in an AR-10. IMO, it really shines in the AR-10 and compliments the format.
All that said, Berger's 7mm 195gr bullet has a much higher BC that anyone's 6.5. If I really wanted an ultimate LR rig, without going to the .338's, I'd build a big 7 with an 8 twist, throated to run that bullet
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