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And from the other perspective..



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My Dad instructed in the T-37 at Reese AFB in the late 60's. His theory for ground instruction was 'Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, Tell 'em, Tell 'em what you told 'em.' He taught aerobatic/combat maneuvers in the Tweet. When he had a student struggling with something, he would make them the instructor and have them teach him the maneuver. They called the Tweets 'converters' because they converted fuel directly into noise, with thrust as a byproduct. Anyone who has had one taxi toward them would agree. I have applied that description to lots of other vehicles, mostly Harleys.

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The Tweet made that awful piercing whine at idle. It was due to the inlet shape, and Cessna had a fix for it since the very beginning, but the AF didn't want to pay for it. Instead, it cost all of us at least some of our hearing. Counting my student and IP time, I flew that little dog whistle for five years.


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Sexy plane? I wasn't aware that it's possible to get laid in the rear seat of a fighter.


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That's not little, this is.

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You ain't whistling Dixie. The BD-5 is so small it's askeerd of mouse farts.


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I’d always heard that “flair”, as it applies to the Navy, is synonymous in the civilian world with “swish”. 😁

To use it in a sentence......

There was a Navy pilot and his boyfriend that when holding hands and walking down the street together everyone in the neighborhood noticed that they had an over-animated walk whereby they swayed their hips back and forth unnecessarily, almost as if they literally had a stick up their ass. 😂


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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
The Tweet made that awful piercing whine at idle. It was due to the inlet shape, and Cessna had a fix for it since the very beginning, but the AF didn't want to pay for it. Instead, it cost all of us at least some of our hearing. Counting my student and IP time, I flew that little dog whistle for five years.


Did you not use protection? I’m deaf in my left ear from years of driving engines, aid cars and medic units. We needed to be able to yell at each other over the siren noise. 😳. Nowadays they have proper communication which includes hearing protection and an unparalleled ability to communicate in high stress noisy environments and where yelling commands isn’t the preferred method of incident command. 😂


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Northrop made a great plane in the T38/F5/F20 series. Everything needed and nothing that wasn't. But it is time, and I think it's interesting as all get out that Saab is crossing over with Boeing on this one. What's their fighter now, the Grippen? That's a hot little dog, right up there with the Eurofighter.


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We used muffs, but there's only so much even muffs can do, and you have to take them off to put on your helmet - with planes all around you screaming. Fly twice a day for years and it adds up.


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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
Yes, yes, Jorge. I know that Navy pukes have no flair - and don't flare. And also that I sometimes type the wrong word. But in the above post, I did both: flared with flair.


Good one, Rock.
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i'm waiting for doc to let fly his mooney, i don't do landings and take off though.


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We have baby Navy pilots learning to fly at my home airport at Ingleside, TX. They paint their T-6's orange to give the rest of us fair warning in the pattern. But for the past little while they've been training multi-engine pilots, who are clearly a notch above in experience. They fly King Airs.

I came home about a month ago in my Mooney and entered a left downwind in the pattern while a Navy K.A. was doing some pattern work. The Mooney scoots along decently quick, about 120 knots on downwind, 100 on base, and 85 on final, and I entered my downwind as the K.A. was turning onto his downwind, so I didn't expect to see him until I turned onto final. So imagine my surprise as I touched down on the runway and the King Air roared overhead just as I was turning off onto Taxiway Bravo... They must have been behind me on my final to touchdown for that to happen, which means they really poured on the coal to come around that fast, and I figured I knew exactly what was what.

I keyed the mic on CTAF: "You boys don't have a gunsight on that bird, do ya?" The Navy pilots's response: "No, sir. But we like to simulate actual flight conditions. You have a good day, sir."

In other words, they waxed my tail, just for fun. Put a grin on my face, too.


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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
One other trick I used was to show struggling students that the plane wants to fly and you don't have to wrestle with it. One student constantly "churned butter" with the stick in the final turn to landing. I took control once and at the turn point dropped the flaps, set the power, and put in a few clicks of bank trim. Then took my hands off the controls. Lo and behold, the jet slid into the final turn, held airspeed and bank, and slid around the 180° turn as if on a banister rail. Lined up on final, I took out the bank trim, reset the power, and again released the controls. Didn't touch them until it was time to flair.

It came as a revelation to the young lad. In the debrief, he couldn't stop grinning. And he flew as smooth as glass afterwards.


How neat!!


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Originally Posted by DocRocket
We have baby Navy pilots learning to fly at my home airport at Ingleside, TX. They paint their T-6's orange to give the rest of us fair warning in the pattern. But for the past little while they've been training multi-engine pilots, who are clearly a notch above in experience. They fly King Airs.


Yep- the T-6 students are in their initial phase of training and have no idea of their fate yet (helos, jets props) . The King Air guys have selected Maritime and are in advanced training before heading to C-130/P-8


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At San Angelo (my former home airport) the Air Force boys flew F-16's from time to time... I guess they flew in from elsewhere for training, then departed. I love watching those guys on their tandem takeoffs.
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Originally Posted by DocRocket
At San Angelo (my former home airport) the Air Force boys flew F-16's from time to time... I guess they flew in from elsewhere for training, then departed. I love watching those guys on their tandem takeoffs.
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I've never been there but should. My Grandfather instructed there in T-6's in 1947. It's where he met my Grandmother who worked in the squadron office there as she had moved off the farm near Brady.


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B-57s and CF-100s would rattle your ears too. More of a howl than the dog whistle. We had a few pilots that did assault landings like they did them in Vietnam. We called them "express elevators to hell". They flew angle of attack and planted them. The former Navy pilots were a natural doing them.


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Ain't braggin' about noise levels mind you, but if'n you want to hear "loud" sit in the left seat of an OH6 an let rip with the minigun. Muzzle is about 3' from your left knee. It rattles your guts a bit. If you're on the other side and the door gunner opens up you'll have a M-60 muzzle about 2-3' from your right ear. And when those things go quiet you got the transmission about 18" behind your noodle.

What? SPEAK UP!!!!


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Originally Posted by DocRocket
At San Angelo (my former home airport) the Air Force boys flew F-16's from time to time... I guess they flew in from elsewhere for training, then departed. I love watching those guys on their tandem takeoffs.
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I've never been there but should. My Grandfather instructed there in T-6's in 1947. It's where he met my Grandmother who worked in the squadron office there as she had moved off the farm near Brady.



When I was there in the 90’s the BX parking lot still had enough anchor points to tie down at least 100 aircraft. I guess that was part of the old flight line.

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