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He's the only real person that I can speak to without any worry or fear.

Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God. He is not God, nor another God, nor God the son. There is no "trinity" in the bible, nor is there a three persons who are god, but the Father the ONLY true God (John 17:1-3).
TDLefty

He is the Christ.In Him I live and move and have my being. I'm glad I met him first as Saviour.I pity those who will meet Him first as Judge.

Ah, the Trinity, i doubt that any other Christian doctrine has created more fights amongst Christians than it. Before I say anything else, I belive in the Trinity, but you are correct in saying that the word trinity is never used in the Bible. Having not studied it up I couldn't provide a good arguement for the Holy Spirit being God, but Jesus now that's another matter. One more thing I don't know if this is the case with you, but i'm sure many dismiss the Trinity because it is so beyond us to understand. That is one of the worst mistakes you can make, we should always go by the scriptures, and as i will show you the scriptures make a very good case for the Trinity.

I see you made a reference to John 17: 1-3 I see nothing there I disagree with, all it indicates is a relationship between the Father and Jesus. If the Trinity is for real I would tend to think that there would be a relationship. If you read to verses 4-5 you see of the Father glorifying Jesus, now wouldn't that be strange if Jesus wasn't God.

Next lets turn to Genisis, chapter 1 verse 26. Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our own image, in Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." Who is Us? Lets think who has the ability to create? Who can make something out of nothing? The obvious answer is God and none else. Even if God had givin one of his angles the power create(highly unlikely) we never hear of anyone else taking part in the creation process. At the end of creation who rests? God. This indicates that there is a sort of Trinity it just doesn't give any details into it.

Now lets go to John 14: 5-7. here's verses 6-7. "Jesus answered, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know the Father as well, From now on, you do know him and have seen Him." Well to start off saying you are the way the truth and the life ect. is very pompus, unless you are God. If Jesus was just a created being sent to do God's will he wouldn't say that. One commonly used name for God is "truth", from my perspective it would be quite blasphemous to say that IF you arent' God. Next Jesus says that if you've seen Him you've seen the Father. Well that's pretty straight foward. Once again that would be quite the blasphemous thing to say if you aren't God. Now you might ahha! this proves that Jesus isn't God when he says you must go through Him to get to God, but this also fits in for those who belive in the Trinity. The 3 are seperate but one at the same time and the preform different functions, but they are all God. It seems Jesus's main function is to reconcile people to God( I'm referring to the Godhead not just the Father). So that doesn't raise any objections for those who belive in the trinity.

I know this is getting long winded but i feel i must go on, there is so much more scripture that i want to use a bit more.

Now lets look further down on the same page. John 14:8-14. I'm going to focus on verses 9-11. Jesus answered,"Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, show us the Father? Don't you belive that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Belive me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least belive on the evidence of the miracles themselves."

That's pretty straight foward also. John 10:36-39 has a similar ring to it. Also in The passage I just mentioned you hear the Jews acuse Jesus of blasphemy when He says this. Obviously they knew he was saying that He was God. If he was just saying that he was God's servant wouldn't he have said something like "Whoa! put those rocks down, i'm not saying i'm God", but he didn't say that. Another nail in the coffin.

Now lets go to John 5:18. " For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him, not only because he was breaking the sabbath, but because he was even calling God his own Father making Himself equal with God." Now days when we hear "Son of God" that might not always connect to "equal with God" in our minds, but It was very clear to the Jews what He was saying, so clear the wanted to kill Him, they eventually did. When Jesus says he is the Son of God he indeed means that He is God.

Now let's go to Matthew 9:1-8. Here we see Jesus heal a Paralytic then tell him his sins are forgivin. Let's ask ourselves When we sin who do we sin against? God. So who but the person sinned against can forgive sins. No one. In Jesus's forgiving of sin He once again is proclaiming that he is God. And this didn't go unoticed. The teachers of the law said "this fellow is blaspheming." Now it's only blaspheming if you aren't God, which they weren't willing to accept.

Well I could continue to go on but by now i'm sure you get the picture. There is no middle ground Jesus is either God himself or the worst of sinners. Throw some more evidence that Jesus is God( for example the resurection) in there, and take your pick. I think the answer is clear.

I'm new to this forum so let me first say pardon the intrusion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I guess you could that I have "lurked" around this site for a while and have learned quite a bit about what has been posted. I'm not an avid hunter but get out when time and money permits. My true love is throwing on my backpack and heading off into the hills away from the crowds. I frequent a more backpacking related website more often that can stray into some nasty political debates, so it's refreshing to see a forum where the posts stay on topic. Enough of my introduction.

This has been an interesting topic to watch. I do attend my church weekly and have a strong belief in our Savior. From what I've read in these posts I have some common beliefs with many of you and some beliefs that you won't agree with. And that's okay. I'm not looking to get into a religious debate with anyone. They tend to get heated and can degenerate into some mean spirited name calling. Having said all that I enjoy meaningful discussion of ideas that is respectful and not condescending. You're probably wanting me to get on with my thoughts by now. Sorry for rambling.

I believe Jesus to be our Savior. He suffered for each and every one of us that we might be able to repent of our sins and reurn to live with Him and our Heavenly Father. He did die on the cross and rose to live again with a perfect body. He lived a perfect life to set the example for us and "show us the way". I agree with the discussion about to know Him we must know how to know God. I believe the Godhead or the Holy Trinity, depending on your terminology, to be three seperate distinct people. Their oneness is derived from their singleness in purpose. Their desire is that all of us return to live with them again. This gives me a lot of hope because I know that I live a far from perfect life, but the way has been shown to us to make things right.

I didn't have much time to site scriptures and provide many quotes but if you are patient with me I'll try to do that as time lets me. "What is Jesus?" seems like a simple enough topic but when you really look at it it is very deep and powerful. Thanks for listening to me.

Man's intellect [ read ego ] will never be satisfied.Our finite minds can never begin to comprehend the Infinite.Christianity differs from other religions in that the Infinite became one of us.He lives today.We can fellowship with Him today.
Once a true relationship with Jesus is established,doctrines fade away.Your child or grandchild knows YOU and that's enough.The child doesn't have to know a lot about you.They just know YOU.
That's why we must become as little children.Our ego keeps getting in the way and demanding answers.Imagine that;He gives us Himself,and we want more.He is all there is.There is not even any packaging left over!

I hear ya. You're probaly right if you're trying to say i'm a little too focused on things like theology, and shouldn't have tried to shove my view of the Trinity down TDlefy's thoat. Sorry 'bout that.

oops! I wasn't trying to say anymore than I said.I can't drive one of these computers very well so when I want to post something,I usually just hit reply on the last post.I truly wasn't directing my remarks to any one individual.I am in no position to instruct anyone about Christ.I can only tell about what He does for me.

He is my personal Saviour.

He is the King of kings.

He is the Lord of lords.

He is Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.

He is the Bright and Morning Star.

He is the Son of God and God the Son.

He is altogether lovely.

He is the Rose of Sharon.

He is the Lily of the valley.

He is the everlasting Father.

He is the Prince of peace.

He is Creator of all things.

He is the sinner's payment for sin.

He is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world.

He is the blood sacrifice that satisfies the atonement for sin.

He is the only begotten Son of God.

He is "my Lord and my God."

He is our hope.

He is coming as the Blessed Hope - Titus 2:13

He has been to Earth and back.

He has been to the grave and back.

He has been to Hell and back.

He has been to Heaven, and bless God! He's coming back!

One day the trump of God shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed; in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. Amen!

Do you believe in Him?

Do you believe on Him?

Whew! Don't ask a question like that. It gets me thinking about how much He loves me, and how unworthy I am of His love, and how little I do for Him, and how much more I should do for Him. He is my all in all. I love Him.