Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles What is bullet failure?????

I’ve seen VLD’s blow up on a shoulder shot. A 140 pour of a 264 Win mag.

Have never seen a Partition “fail” but have seen them lose their front-end lead. Those, of course, came from very dead animals.

1. “… why do you use a magnum at a 40 yd range ?”
Because it is what you have in my hands at the time. Set up for a 400-600 shot on cow elk one day and ended up taking it at 25 yards – after passing on a shot at 25 FEET. You don’t always know at what range your shot opportunities will come. This with a 30-06, but I’ve taken other shots under 40 yards in open country with my .300WM and 7mm RM. Bullets did a fine job and performed as expected.

2. "at that range and at that velocity, there was nothing the bullet could do, but to fail."
I would expect a Partition to hold together, at least from the partition back, even at those impact velocities. There are certainly other bullets that can do so.

3. “This is a classic case of pushing a bullet too fast for the circumstances it was used in..”
Nosler claims an “Unlimited” maximum working velocity for Partition bullets. I wouldn’t hesitate to use a Partition at 2900-3000fps impact velocity, but I wouldn’t expect a classic long-retained-shank mushroom, either.

I do have to question what path the bullet took to “mangle” the shoulder joint when the expectation was it would then get into the lungs. Same kind of zig-zag bullet Oswald supposedly used on Kennedy?

Oswald was a stunt shooter.

Pigs supposedly have their lungs a bit further forward than deer/elk...at least that's what I have been told, so if true, the lungs would be more in line with the shoulder.

Even if this isn't true, an angling to shot can put the shoulder directly in front of the forward portion of the lungs.

To further “stir the pot”....I would prefer an “unexpanded” (failure) bullet that penetrates the vitals and exits, over, a bullet that “completely comes apart” (failure), failing to reach the vitals....causing a very nasty, slow death, superficial wound. Even a bullet “penciling through” the lungs, will likely cause death fairly rapidly. If the hunter has “any” tracking skills, and patience....the animal “should” be recovered! As usual.... JMO! memtb

Oswald was innocent.

Have you not seen "The Shooter"?

Paper patched bullets RULE!

I question the value of anonymous fourth-hand reports of "bullet failure" that were "gleaned from another forum." Isn't that akin to "the guy at the gun shp told me that this happened to his brother-in-law's neighbor?"

It's hard enough to sift through the BS on this forum where you can at least develop a sense of someone's credibility by having read what they've posted in the past.

I think the whole point of Starman posting what was wrote on another forum was to show the ridiculousness of such....

This tells me he bought the concept of "bullet failure" hook, line, and sinker:

Amen to that SP! My group and myself have driven that very same Partition through elk knuckles at pretty short range and haven’t “blown up moving a few 100 FPS faster a few times. Not saying it didn’t happen but I have a tough time believing it.

Oswald was a tool.

Yes.

Fact.

Boom.

You can question the credibility of the failure all you like, but the absurd excuses given for NP failure are still what people gave.

The members of that forum defending the NP believed him , otherwise why would they have submitted
excuses for the reported failure...?



How so...?

All I did was point out the absurdity of NP fans defending a NP failure which they believed to be true.

Were we drawn into a Ponzi scheme of meaninglessness?

Will gun forums ever learn about terminal ballistics discussions?

With no disrespect meant, I did a PG cull hunt in SA (Aloe Ridge Safaris) on the East Cape in May & June of this year. Rifle was a Blaser R93 in .30/06 with a 22" barrel. Ammunition was factory loaded Barnes 168 grain TTSX, which shot 200 yard groups of just under an inch. Except for a poorly shot warthog, all the animals were DRT. Most shots were 200 yards or under. With the exception of the warthog, no second shots were required.

All I can say is that the 168 TTSX worked just fine for me. The factory loaded Barnes ammunition proved to be more accurate than my carefully assembled handloads. It is now my go too load in .30/06, but if hunting leopard, I'd employ a 180 grain Partition. Ditto for shooting impala for bait or camp meat.

I failed to find the 150 Sierra pro hunter from the 270 my daughter killed a 4x5 buck with a couple days ago. It went thru both shoulders the heart was touched and one lung destroyed. Someone forgot to tell that bullet it was no good. Ed k

How many animals were shot? Not a single one took a step?

Any bullet, can “fail” to live up or down .....to it’s reputation! memtb

I use monos exclusively now due to paranoia with feeding my kids lead tainted meat. I shoot for bone and when that works out they kill very fast and predictably. If you dont hit bone they are erratic in the time it takes an animal to expire.
A friends daughter shot a small muley buck the other day with a 100gr TTSX out of a 25-06. The shot was quartering such that only one lung was hit and no bone. My friend said the animal had little reaction to the shot, left no blood trail and ran off over a hundred yards were it stopped and laid down. He was going to shoot it again but had no shot due to proximity to houses and cows. Said it took a long time to expire.
I have no doubt a 100gr Nosler BT would have not had the same result.

Btw Shooting water jugs is just playing around and isnt representitive in any way of what a bullet does when it hits flesh.

It’s likely better than believing everything you read on the internet! . memtb