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Originally Posted by Lonny
Originally Posted by jaguartx


Iirc beef is hung at 38 degrees for like 28 days. The good stuff is hung longer at 34-36.


I know a couple people who commercially butcher and process beef and there is no way they could afford to have their cooler tied up that long by letting it hang for 28 days. They both do 7-10 days for beef hang time.


Thanks for this, Lonny.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Everybody wants to skin a deer immediately and get it chilled even faster. Hold on. For maximum tenderness, that's not the best. A thing called cold shortening can cause your deer to be tougher if you cool it too fast. Here's a good article about it. You can find all kinds of info about it on the web.
No-gut dressing is getting more and more popular, especially with larger animals like elk and moose, but it's also a cause of very tough meat.

If you get a deer when it's really cold, below freezing, you're better off to leave the skin on and let it slowly cool. I'm leaving after lunch today for an elk hunt. It's 12F up there right now and the next 2 or 3 nights will be similar. If we get one, we'll have to decide the best way to tenderize it.

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This time of year you might think cold shortening is a result of men joining the Polar Bear club but it is really something else. Cold shortening is the result of chilling a carcass too soon after slaughter. Most folks don't realize the amount of things that need to take place right after evisceration to create the maximum amount of tenderness in meat.
First I'll do my best to explain what cold shortening is without getting too technical. When an animal is slaughtered the system for transporting oxygen to the cells shuts down, obviously. This causes pumps that move adenosine triphosphate (ATP) to shut down and allow calcium ions to

bind up proteins, all at the cellular level. This is part of the process of rigor mortis. If the carcass is chilled too fast, this condition is magnified, resulting in muscle contraction that shortens muscle fibers, making the meat tougher. Think about it, when you get cold you shiver and your muscles tighten up. Its not exactly like that but sort of. Also, there are natural enzymes that kick in after slaughter to break down and loosen muscle fibers but a cold shortened muscle will remain tougher and never achieve the tenderness levels of a properly chilled carcass. Hanging a carcass allows for some muscles to be stretched which minimizes cold shortening for some muscles.
Preventing cold shortening can present problems for a processor. To prevent it studies show that the fresh pre- rigor carcass ideally should be kept at a balmy cave like temperature of 60F 16C for about 10 - 16 hours. A large beef plant wants to move thousands of animals through each day can't wait quite that long so many will speed up the process by applying electrical stimulation to the carcass. Zapping the fresh carcass depletes much of the glycogen energy that would allow cold shortening to happen. I saw this at a Cargill plant years ago. It was like "CLEAR" and bam, the whole side of beef twitched. Another trick is to add a calcium chloride solution into the carcass which increases the activity of the endogenous enzymes, the enzymes that break down meat when it is aged.
The old method of slow chilling was much more haphazard. If a carcass has a lot of exterior fat, a poor yield grade 4 or 5, the carcass will naturally chill slower, resulting in more tender meat. I can remember picking out hindquarters of beef with my dad in the markets on 14th street in NYC and he would always look for the extra fatty ones. They cost us more but the quality level was always much higher so we could charge accordingly. Plus we would buy an old bull carcass for lean beef to mix in the fat trims for our grind. That meat was tough like a shoe but perfect for grinding.
I recently talked with John Jamison from Jamison Farm in Latrobe PA and he confirmed the 16 hour rule for keeping a carcass warm for the first part after slaughter. The USDA allows him to keep the carcass at this warm temperature for longer than what is considered normal. He says the quality of the carcass is greatly increased. Most of his production is with lamb but he has experimented with lean grass-fed beef also, with great results. It is a delicate balance between tender meat and food born illness. If a processor wants to allow a carcass to chill slowly they need to be diligent in keeping the process as clean as possible.
Another factor that can effect cold shortening is the condition of the animal when it is alive. A calm animal that has had no food for 24hrs but not starved will be less likely to have the condition than an animal that is aggravated or stressed.
One other experiment has been done to change the muscle structures pre-rigor. We normally hang a carcass by the gambrel on the back leg. This stretches certain muscles guaranteeing they cannot develop cold shortening. But what if we hang the carcass in different positions? This would allow for the stretching of muscles typically allowed to shorten. This opens the door for small processors to do some custom things. It is very difficult for a large processor to change the way they hang carcasses because everything is geared to the chain speed and equipment used to break down everything.
A bit of history also. Farmers that slaughtered their own meats often did it in the fall when the temperatures would range from just above freezing to about 60F. An old timer that knew what they were doing would slaughter on a warm morning and hang the carcass for a few days in the barn with the temperature slowly lowering. Perfect condition for tenderizing.
A friend of mine shot a deer this fall just when the weather turning a little warm. He typically hangs it for about a week before I cut it for him. He was worried about the warm temps and I told him to relax, he did and so did the muscle structure of his deer. It was one of the most tender wild caught meat I've ever worked with.
So as the temperature once again plummets this week keep in mind not to cold shorten, leave that to the polar bears.



When letting deer hang a good while in warmer weather its best to leave the blood on it to form a crust rather th wash it with water which increases the risk for undesirable bacterial contamination and growth.


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get the hide off ASAP IMO.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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Even in the 60's it's ok for a couple days. If it tops 70, though, you need to get it on ice.

There's an old rule of thumb about how long you can hang meat. For every 10 degrees, the time is cut in half

35F 2 weeks
45 1 weeks
55 4 days
65 2 days
75 eat it now


This. I dont care if it gets 60 in the day if it gets cooled down to 40 or less the first night. But, i will have it wrapped to keep it cool and in the shade in the day.

I smell the meat to tell when its ready to butcher. Shap and acidic smell needs aging.

If its really warm weather it gets skinned and put on ice in a cooler or filled with ice and in the shade and skinned and put on ice the next day.

Iirc beef is hung at 38 degrees for like 28 days. The good stuff is hung longer at 34-36.


For beef I've heard or read 39 days at 39 degrees. Don't recall the source.


We get our meat into coolers as quickly as possible. For antelope that is usually bang/gut/skin and into the cooler. Deer are often much the same. It in[t uncommon for our elk to sit out all night after quartering (gutless method), but in such cases we pack out the filets and straps immediately to get them in the cooler.

Buddy one shot a cow that we didn't find until the next morning. Temps were around 0 at night and below freezing during the day. By the time we found the cow the meat was already toast and the processor wouldn't take it. Those elk hides are awesome insulators.

We've also seen outfitters where one guy was dressing antelope while the hunters were out doing whatever. He had about 10 goats on the ground. We figure some of them laid there for several hours in the sun. About 90 degrees. I wouldn't have wanted any part of those animals.


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The NYS DEC training manual for new hunters says that you should not hang a deer when temperatures are above 40 deg. Anything above 50 deg would give me concern for rapid bacterial growth. If possible, I'd skin, quarter and pack the quarters in a large cooler with ice. I hate to take chances with food.

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I just finished cutting up a bull elk that hung for 13 days by the time the last quarter was processed. Temps were anywhere from 18-42 at night and 40-65 during the day for that time. We skinned and quartered him immediately on the mountain and hunt everything in the shade until a good crust was formed after 3 or 4 days. The quarters then got bagged for the trip home. Once back home I hung them in the barn with the door up about 2” for air circulation and started cutting up one bag per night after work.

Meat is outstanding, tender and mild with no gamey taste or smell.

I have a buck hanging in the same barn that I’ll get cut up here in a few days. Shot and skinned within 2 hours and hung to cool. The weather is calling for 35 at night and 57 during the day for the next little while. I’m not in a hurry I’m sure he’ll be fine eating.

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I shot two does on Saturday as the club wanted to get some off. One in the morning and one in the evening. Both clean kills with no guts or crap on the insides. I field dressed both and left the skin on as they would be hanging in the woods on a pole with no roof. Temps got into the mid 60s Saturday and down around 40 on Saturday night. I went out Sunday morning around 9:00 skinned and boned out the meat. It was very cold to the touch. I bagged in in ziplocks left unzipped and laid them in my game cooler on frozen 2 gallon water containers. I have Thanksgiving in Ohio and then hunt the general gun up here next week as well. So yesterday I drove up from Alabama to Ohio. I live in SW Florida so I had to bring the meat along. I just got the meat out of the cooler and put it in my cousins freezer and it was ice cold. I was very curious to hear opinions on meat handling from the fire as you get a wide variaty of opinions qnd know how based on many different conditions and situations the guys hunt in. The fire did not disappoint. Thanks for your opinions and wisdom. Boarmaster.


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The first thing we do is get the hide off and then gut em. We always try to hang them as long as it’s not above 60 or so. Most of the time we only hang it for a day before we haul it home and hang it in my uncle’s cooler. The we cut it up one night after work. We always get that old hide off as soon as possible though.

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Seems to me that most of the replies here are individual preferences rather than recommendations based on actual food science. If you look at Eileen Clarke's books, particularly "A Slice of the Wild", you'll find the appropriate references. I'm not at home so can't copy the recommendations out. As a rough guide, though, I'd say Rock Chuck's numbers are pretty good. Keep in mind that this is based on constant temperature, so you'll need to consider that if you're hanging your meat in a space that isn't temperature controlled.


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