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The last two or three deer seasons some hunters are showing up at camp with rifles loaded with bullets light or heavy for caliber. They are taking advantage of barrel twists and bullet construction. For example; 120 gr Nosler BT in 7-08 Remington and 7mm Remington Mag., 70 gr Speer in 22-250, 85 gr Nosler PT in .243 Win and 64 gr Nosler BSB in 223. It is interesting to observe these trends. Me, I remain traditional.
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They all kill deer. Deer are easy to kill.
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They all kill deer. Deer are easy to kill. Except when they ain't
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The last two or three deer seasons some hunters are showing up at camp with rifles loaded with bullets light or heavy for caliber. They are taking advantage of barrel twists and bullet construction. For example; 120 gr Nosler BT in 7-08 Remington and 7mm Remington Mag., 70 gr Speer in 22-250, 85 gr Nosler PT in .243 Win and 64 gr Nosler BSB in 223. It is interesting to observe these trends. Me, I remain traditional. I don't get what you're trying to say with "light or heavy for caliber" and then listing those bullet weights. All of those seem to be medium weights for their calibers. What am I missing?
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They all kill deer. Deer are easy to kill. Except when they ain't Still learning how to shoot? Or just how to hit?
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The last two or three deer seasons some hunters are showing up at camp with rifles loaded with bullets light or heavy for caliber. They are taking advantage of barrel twists and bullet construction. For example; 120 gr Nosler BT in 7-08 Remington and 7mm Remington Mag., 70 gr Speer in 22-250, 85 gr Nosler PT in .243 Win and 64 gr Nosler BSB in 223. It is interesting to observe these trends. Me, I remain traditional. I don't get what you're trying to say with "light or heavy for caliber" and then listing those bullet weights. All of those seem to be medium weights for their calibers. What am I missing? I didn't realize a 120 BT was a medium weight 7mag bullet, or 7-08 for that matter. roundoak, I personally stay somewhere in the middle, say .284 140's for example. If I get to go cull animals where I know shots won't be very long and are somewhat "controlled", that 120 BT is a deer killing machine in the 7-08. I usually stay no lighter than 140's when toting my 7mag though, and more often than not a 160.
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Other than the 22's I didn't see anything close to what I would consider "heavy for caliber".
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Yep, probably trying to reduce recoil on their 7mm caliber why still being effective on deer while the light recoling 223rem/22-250 are trying to turn them into a deer capable caliber would be my guess.
The 243win load listed looks like a standard load to me, neither unusually light nor heavy for caliber.
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They are taking advantage of barrel twists and bullet construction. The 120 NBT and 7-08 just seem to go together like peas and carrots, the bullet is stoutly constructed and shoots well in most rifles. So with that one, it's bullet construction, IMO.
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The last two or three deer seasons some hunters are showing up at camp with rifles loaded with bullets light or heavy for caliber. They are taking advantage of barrel twists and bullet construction. For example; 120 gr Nosler BT in 7-08 Remington and 7mm Remington Mag., 70 gr Speer in 22-250, 85 gr Nosler PT in .243 Win and 64 gr Nosler BSB in 223. It is interesting to observe these trends. Me, I remain traditional. I don't get what you're trying to say with "light or heavy for caliber" and then listing those bullet weights. All of those seem to be medium weights for their calibers. What am I missing? I posted in the BIG GAME RIFLE forum.
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Other than the 22's I didn't see anything close to what I would consider "heavy for caliber". Neither do I.
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I load 120’s in my 7mm-08. 140’s in my 7 mags and 7mm ultra mag. I think the 120’s would be fine in all of them, but I use what I’ve always used. I like the 62 Barnes in my 223’s. I need one of those 1in 8 22-250’s. The Barnes 62 would be great in it.
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The last two or three deer seasons some hunters are showing up at camp with rifles loaded with bullets light or heavy for caliber. They are taking advantage of barrel twists and bullet construction. For example; 120 gr Nosler BT in 7-08 Remington and 7mm Remington Mag., 70 gr Speer in 22-250, 85 gr Nosler PT in .243 Win and 64 gr Nosler BSB in 223. It is interesting to observe these trends. Me, I remain traditional. I don't get what you're trying to say with "light or heavy for caliber" and then listing those bullet weights. All of those seem to be medium weights for their calibers. What am I missing? I posted in the BIG GAME RIFLE forum. . Again, what are you trying to say, what is your point?
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The last two or three deer seasons some hunters are showing up at camp with rifles loaded with bullets light or heavy for caliber. They are taking advantage of barrel twists and bullet construction. For example; 120 gr Nosler BT in 7-08 Remington and 7mm Remington Mag., 70 gr Speer in 22-250, 85 gr Nosler PT in .243 Win and 64 gr Nosler BSB in 223. It is interesting to observe these trends. Me, I remain traditional. I don't get what you're trying to say with "light or heavy for caliber" and then listing those bullet weights. All of those seem to be medium weights for their calibers. What am I missing? I posted in the BIG GAME RIFLE forum. . Again, what are you trying to say, what is your point? Again, I posted in the BIG GAME RIFLE forum
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Construction and impact speed matter just as much as "light or heavy for caliber". If speeds are getting cranked up due to light-for-caliber, I'd prefer tougher construction. If speeds are lower, due to heavy-for-caliber, give me softer construction. Assuming medium game here. I've seen a 130gr .30cal mono bullet work at 3,350fps, but really no better than a 200gr .30cal cup/core at 2,650fps. Lots of ways to skin that cat.
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Construction and impact speed matter just as much as "light or heavy for caliber". If speeds are getting cranked up due to light-for-caliber, I'd prefer tougher construction. If speeds are lower, due to heavy-for-caliber, give me softer construction. Assuming medium game here. I've seen a 130gr .30cal mono bullet work at 3,350fps, but really no better than a 200gr .30cal cup/core at 2,650fps. Lots of ways to skin that cat. Yes, my take on the subject is it is more a question of light or heavy for CARTRIDGE. 130's or 150's might be the ticket with a 308 but are ridiculous in a 300RUM. And while 200's or 220's work great in the RUM, they are getting a little slow and thus a rainbow trajectory with the 308. With lightening fast speeds meat damage is a greater concern, with slow speeds ballistics get more complicated. And as stated above, bullet construction is another factor. Choose your poison.
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It seems that many shooters get on the “light for caliber” band wagon, seeing “only” the increase in muzzle velocity....while forgetting about some basic physics, plus the additional stresses placed on a bullet by the speed increase. Assuming that a heavier bullet has a greater BC , it will provide better performance on long ( exceeding say 500 yards) shots, through flatter trajectory, less wind drift, higher energy, and better penetration resulting from a higher sectional density. My choice would lean “slightly” toward the heavier side....the bullet weight is determined by, using a premium bullet with the highest available BC, at velocities dictated by my chosen caliber. For myself, it is a compromise between a bullet that will perform well on a close-range, high velocity impact.....yet also perform well out to 7 or 800 yards. memtb
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WI hunters carry a 7 Mag for WT? okay........
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WI hunters carry a 7 Mag for WT? okay........ This Wisconsin hunter carries an 8x57 for WT and 200gr Speer bullets.
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I don’t use “heavy for caliber” bullets in anything, ie my 7mm-08. I think the Barnes TSX or TTSX needs to be lighter for caliber as mono’s tend to perform better with higher velocities and I can very safely get well over 3100 fps thus I shoot the 120 gr. in that type bullet. If shooting a cup’n core, it will be a 139/140 gr. The one exception would be the 120 gr. Ballistic Tip as it is tough enough to handle the velocity and still perform well. This holds true in other chamberings as well. My thinking is (and YOMM) that if I need a “heavy for caliber” bullet, then I need a heavier caliber! I have no need for the better BC that “HFC’s” yield because I don’t shoot beyond 300 yds. at the most. Just me.
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