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I have been looking at the Ruger American Standard (22" barrel) $399 and the RA Predator (18" barrel) $49 Nothing to do with barrel length but the RAR doesn't have a bolt lock. As you carry it, the bolt will sometimes rub against clothing or a pack strap and it will lift. If it lifts to the top, it will slide backwards, completely open.
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I wish Ruger would make 16-in. American SS Ranch Compacts in .308 and 6.5 Creed that take Magpul AR-10 pattern mags.
Until they do, I’m gonna whack my .5 MOA 700 to 16.1-in. & thread. I’m not getting rid of my 22–in. threaded Montana anytime soon JIC I get to go elk hunting again.
Seventy-five yards is a long poke in my swampy hunting AO; my longest shot at a deer thus far has been 350 and a snubby .308 will handle that w aplomb.
I will do a thread about this w more detail after hunting season and begin the process.
In the meantime, I urge everyone to use electronic ear pro in the field and range. Every shot you take does irreversible damage to your hearing.
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In the meantime, I urge everyone to use electronic ear pro in the field and range. Every shot you take does irreversible damage to your hearing.
I'm a guessing you are right Cold Case about that single loud blast can do hearing damage ---- 18" tubes are ,I guess loud to young undamaged ears. At almost 70 and thousands and thousands of 7.62 and .50 cal fired at age 22 don't mean nothing GI. Except for the crickets and peepers I hear chirping full time or is that a steam kettle I hear ? --- Web
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I have chrono'd 13 different 308's over the years. I consider the 308 an "efficient" cartridge in that bbl length seems to make less difference than many other cartridges. When I began to notice this, I put all the velocity data together and the average velocity difference was 18 fps per inch of bbl.
As noted, different rifles can produce significantly different velocities with the same load, even with same bbl lengths.
Most cartridges I have chrono'd with different bbl lengths, shorter than 20" produces more velocity loss per inch than say, 22" to 20".
Shorter bbls are LOUDER. Shorter than 22" seems to produce noticeably louder muzzle blast. Which is why I avoid the "youth" rifles in shorter bbls for kids. My experience is kids are quicker to associate muzzle blast with recoil. For hunting without ear protection I won't use shorter than 22" anymore. If stand hunting where one can wear ear protection that may be different.
There are options to make rifles more kid friendly. ![[Linked Image]](https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/gallery/80/medium/85610.jpg)
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In the meantime, I urge everyone to use electronic ear pro in the field and range. Every shot you take does irreversible damage to your hearing.
I'm a guessing you are right Cold Case about that single loud blast can do hearing damage ---- 18" tubes are ,I guess loud to young undamaged ears. At almost 70 and thousands and thousands of 7.62 and .50 cal fired at age 22 don't mean nothing GI. Except for the crickets and peepers I hear chirping full time or is that a steam kettle I hear ? --- Web
In the meantime, I urge everyone to use electronic ear pro in the field and range. Every shot you take does irreversible damage to your hearing.
I'm a guessing you are right Cold Case about that single loud blast can do hearing damage ---- 18" tubes are ,I guess loud to young undamaged ears. At almost 70 and thousands and thousands of 7.62 and .50 cal fired at age 22 don't mean nothing GI. Except for the crickets and peepers I hear chirping full time or is that a steam kettle I hear ? --- Web I almost hear ya! I’m 59 and fired my first shots the week before JFK was skragged. Amazing I can hear at all after 40 years of unprotected hunting fire, hard rock concerts, SR-71s and U2s on the flight line and LE sirens, it’s a wonder I can hear anything at all!
�When in doubt, I whip it out.� Uncle Ted
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Muzzle blast from an 18" barrel would be substantial. Hearing protection, at all times, is a must. 22" barrel wouldbe my choice.
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I've yet to shoot a 308,that wasn't "loud". I've got 'em from 16.1" to 26".
No matter what the barrel length,it remains a poor chambering.
Hint....................
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In the meantime, I urge everyone to use electronic ear pro in the field and range. Every shot you take does irreversible damage to your hearing.
Maybe so, but after 50-odd years, my hearing is still okay, and what damage I have is more likely due to working in a very noisy environment for 40+ years. I plug up for dove hunting, but one or two rifle shots a season isn't going to do much damage. I will carry foam plugs if I take my 4" .357 out and use them if I have time.
What fresh Hell is this?
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I've yet to shoot a 308,that wasn't "loud". I've got 'em from 16.1" to 26".
No matter what the barrel length,it remains a poor chambering.
Hint.................... Whoa now. You're pickin' on one of my favorite chamberings. 
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Now that I think about it the 308 Win may just be the best phugging chambering in the world. Phugg everything else.
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The 308 is a poor blend of Performance to Recoil ratio.
Very poor...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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On a schitty 308?!? The courtesy is extended and goes without saying...just saying.
Hint.
Laughing!........................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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No doubt.
Hint..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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The 308 is a poor blend of Performance to Recoil ratio.
Very poor............... I have a couple 243's too so those bases are covered.
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