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True. I find these topics interesting and I like hearing other people's ideas, as long as we can present them as ideas. When someone says they know something for certain and yet can provide no real evidence for it, that's fine for them but it really doesn't leave anything to talk about. The fact of the matter is most of us hold certain beliefs that we didn't necessarily arrive at by careful reasoning and logical thought, but we hold them either because of how we were raised or perhaps because of experiences we've had. These beliefs are often a great comfort to people and I have no desire to try to tear them down for someone just because they don't make sense to me, but I do like to discuss term and how/why people hold the beliefs that they do. Unfortunately it seems that for most people there are too many emotions tied in with their beliefs and a rational discussion just isn't possible.

Faith without works is dead

Ok, I’ll bite. What is the evidence that this character yeshu Ben panthers even existed? SM posted like he placed some credence in it.

So, Starman, care to post the evidence of Ben panther or will you just fade into the wood work?

Pls, no more weasel words.

Imagine that. Christian's can't even agree upon the roles of Faith and deeds..

Huh....

Don't know why that's a surprise. It takes 12 to decide what a much shorter and more recent document says,and even them there's usually only a majority by a couple.

Christians come to resolve that question on an individual basis. What’s important is how they lived and thought prior to their conversion in contrast to afterward.

That’s the real definition of conversion.

Yea James says that but Paul says that you are saved by grace,through faith without a mention of works.

Faith without works may be dead but works that do not proceed from faith, but rather from fear are nothing but fear. You can't do good things because you are afraid God will send you to hell if you don't and expect to get anything from it. Works should proceed from faith like a child naturally proceeds from a healthy marriage,

Don't know what 12 you are talking about?

Point is, if Christian's can't even agree upon the basics, such as the roles of Faith and Deeds, your God's not a very effective communicator, which flies in the face of most definitions of the Christian God.

You constantly distort God's Word. Apostle Paul wrote recorded in Philippians 2:12,
"Work out your salvation with fear and trembling." Without God's Grace there is no salvation since it belongs to Him. Consider Romans 10: 9-10. We believe (faith) resulting in righteousness and confess (work) resulting in salvation.

The Supreme Court constantly interprets the Constitution.

I don't see how it's God's fault if among a couple billion of us there's a few idiots and morons.

Only 9 justices on the Supreme Court.

It's the authors' fault because they failed to communicate effectively.

All the camel humper stories are fugged up one way or another.

I'm sure the OP and some others believe in Alexander, Socrates and Aristotle. Absolutely no proof any of them existed. They are just myths.

There are legitimate questions regarding the historicity of the character known as Socrates.
Alexander and his tutor Aristotle, not so much.
Of course none of this has any bearing on the historicity of Jesus.

I would be more inclined to believe that your an imbecile

So, do you disbelieve the historicity of Jesus?

A simple yes or no will do.

In a way I understand why Starman does this. It seems he wants to get people to think outside the box. I get it. I'm not sure how wise it is to do that on this website, but hey, its his neck.LOL
Myself, I kind of enjoy it and usually learn something from it all.

Glad to hear that you learn something.

But, pls do note that both SM and AS have a clear purpose to cast doubt and to sway opinions of folks on this site.

For example, the historicity of Jesus. There are many many scholars that believe there is no doubt about the historicity of Jesus. Just google the “Historicity of Jesus.” Take a look at what Wikipedia ... for example.. has to say.

BUT... I will say it again, folks will look at the evidence and choose what to believe. The choice they make is based on the evidence, perhaps their background..... but also based on what is in them.

What is in the man is paramount.

Who is this Tal Mud cat?

I've heard of Pantera but Tulmud does not ring a bell.