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Who could have predicted that?

It's surprising that their adding homosexuals and lesbians hasn't saved them. Perhaps they need to place more emphasis on including Transgenders.

Gee.

Imagine that.

Liberals fugged up something else.

What have they NOT fugged up?

Just remember it was Rex Tillerson who was responsible for queering the Scouts.

That wasn't enough for him and his NWO agenda.A few years after leaving his position with the Scouts he then partnered with Robert Gates,the yes man for both Bush and Obama,and they forced the Scouts to accept sexual deviants for Scout leaders.

F Tillerson that loathsome cretin and may a pox fall upon him and his progeny.

It is just like everything else the homosexual mob gets hold of. It goes to hell.

Likely due to lack of funds. I believe the LDS sector handled a good bit of the scouting in the western third of the nation. I believe they have gone independent.

And how many times have we heard what a stupid Pres. Trump is for getting rid of that wonderful Tillerson.

America is dying.

Obama wanted to fundamentally change this country...well, the beat goes on.

If you're a socialist planning on infiltrating a free society like the U.S., the Boy Scouts of America would definitely be on your hit list.
Teaching kids self reliance, patriotism, and thinking through problems is not compatible with a completely controlled population.

BSA was one of the organizations that help America to greatness.
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Most people won’t have their children in scouting since they went queer.

I love the scouts when I was young. I spent a great part of youth in scouts. I wanted the same for my son, but their actions over the last few years has kept me from letting him do it.

Another black mark on Obama's legacy.

The being of this was the VN war with the anti any thing that had a uniform. Look at all the boarding military that closed. All part of the feminizing of the American male.

In all fairness, you also have to remember who first hired Tillerson (and Sessions, et al)

This happened long before President Trump hired Tillerson.

Obama just another POS foreigner which screwed America.

It was Robert Gates who started the queering the BSA, just like he did the US military. The timing of this stinks. Our unit just ponied up almost $3K for Friends of Scouting.

Boy Scouts did help America to greatness.

I was in Boy Scouts and Explorers for 6 years. I really got a lot out of it. Loved the Boy Scouts.

Just so happens I'm in the midst of composing a letter to Friends of Scouting explaining why I won't ever be donating to them again.
Queers, trans & girls in a nutshell.

Liberals fuqk up every damn thing they touch, they just can't help it.

Your obsession misleads you, it ain't the queers. The heart of the nation is changing. We'll find out if we can adapt and survive off the mainstream.

Not to mention he is "stupid" and "lazy!"

The same can be said for my grandchildren and the military. I can't recommend it anymore with a good conscience.

When you open the door to the devil, he'll walk right in.
The Mormons were something like 30% of their membership and 20 to 25% of their income.

This.

We are LETTING it die.

Anything that happens is because we have let it happen.

Scouts in my opinion were foundational. The liberals won this match because the destroyed the scouts. Desolve the moral foundation win for them.

Truth! Each and everyone of us!

As an Eagle Scout this is sad to see...

Rex Tillerson started the ball rolling on queering the Scouts.Tilllerson's successor Perry, a Mormon,did nothing to stop all of this nonsense and allowed homosexuals to become Boy Scouts.His successor Gates, then took up the banner and finished the job his two successors started.He also allowed sexual deviants to become Scout leaders,with the help of Tillerson..

Last winter our church pulled our scout troop out of BSA and we joined with Trail Life. More and more churches are going that way. Between Christians and the Mormons, BSA membership is plummeting.

Same here. I was so proud to become an Eagle Scout and hoped if I had boys that they would follow suit. I just couldn't do it now. Too bad really.

Same here again. Sad that it happened and so quickly I'm only early 40s and my son is 11. And no BSA for him. What is worse is that he'd really enjoy it too.

And when your elected leaders,,,,never mind.

What sane parents would knowingly send their sons off to molester camp??

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/12/boy-scouts-verge-bankruptcy/

"Additionally, the Boy Scouts have come under criticism of late for keeping records of sex abuse perpetrated by scoutmasters — called the “perversion files” — under wraps for decades instead of revealing them to the public.":

"For decade upon decade, secrets of alleged sexual abuse have been collecting dust in the Boy Scouts of America’s headquarters in Irving, Texas, and in state and regional offices across the nation. And the Scouts are fighting hard to keep them locked away."

https://www.ajc.com/news/local/sex-abuse-cases-boy-scouts-forgo-transparency/T8jGnO4FWXfvFhsf6sA2TJ/

One time I did the math and figured out that school teachers abuse about twenty kids for every one abused in BSA. That's an excellent argument to home school your kids.

Back in the 70's wearing a BSA shirt to school was an excellent way to get beat up and you lunch money taken.

Home schooling is by far a better choice than public school, regardless.

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This

Totally agree, if I were raising little ones right now that's the only way I'd go.

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I am glad I'm old. But I really feel for you young guys. People better wake the F U C K up.

You say 'one time'. From what I hear, things have changed a bunch in the last few years. The 'one time' likely doesn't fit any more.

My older brother Ken and I joined the Boy Scouts in Atlanta in 1959. I was 9 years old.
We were suburban kids. My dad wasn't interested in camping or shooting. But in Boy Scouts we went camping all the time! I loved it, it is really good for a sheltered suburban kid to spend the night out in the woods in 25 degree weather in a sleeping bag. No dial on the wall to magically make it 70 degrees. And on campouts, and at Summer Camp, we did a lot of shooting! Mostly .22 rifles, I loved it! Our Scoutmasters were real men, all had fought in WW2 and knew a lot about guns. You could tell that our Scoutmasters were a bunch of bad asses not like the few, Sissy male teachers we had in school. These were tough men.

And to have to cook your food over a camp fire. I just loved scouting.
In Explorers it was even better, we went to explore a cave in north Georgia. About 10 of us plus the Advisor. No signs, no state park, we parked on the side of a dirt road, we hiked 300 feet up a damn mountain, and there was this hole in the mountain. Hole about 6 feet high and 3 feet wide.
Our advisor had a 3/4 inch rope, he tied it to the pine tree, with a bowline knot which, I had learned to tie in scouting, "the rabbit comes out of the hole, goes around the tree, and back in the hole." I learned that knot in 1960 and still know it well. The Advisor had about 70 feet of rope coiled up in his hand, he threw it into the hole, and said to me "You first." I grabbed on to that rope and down I went! No harness, ho helmet or light. It was 50 feet down to the bottom of the cave, hand over hand. Completely dark.
I had an awakening about 10 feet down that rope. I was completely on my own. If I screwed up, no good to call the teacher, or the police, or my Mommy. If I let go, I would die. So, I didn't let go. That was the first time in my life where I was beyond the grasp, of all the social norms that protect little boys. I was on my own.

We had some flashlights and explored that cave for a few hours, stalagtities, stalagmites, it was great! And then, back to the rope, and to climb hand over hand to the hole back to the World. Damn that was some exciting stuff for a 14 year old kid.

Also we went every summer to Camp Bert Adams near Atlanta. One year I got the Mile Swim merit badge, we trained for 4 days in the swimming pool, and then, it was a half mile across the lake, without touching shore, and a half mile back. Two Scouts in the water and one older Scout in a canoe. About 15 groups like that. I was 12 years old, it was like Navy SEAL training for a little suburban kid.
I loved it! Experiences like that really toughen up a sheltered suburban kid.

Good Lord it makes me sick to see Liberal orthodoxy ruin the Scouts. I can't believe it. Letting gay boys be Scoutmasters? That is insane.

Why don't we let some healthy, 25 year old young men be Scoutmasters for the Girl Scouts. I don't know if Girl Scouts go on campouts, but if they do, put a healthy 25 year old young man as Girl Scoutmaster for a campout with a bunch of 15 and 16 year old Explorer Girl Scouts. Guess what is going to happen, He is going to start [bleep] them!

And so likewise with Boy Scouts, you got a little 12 or 14 year old kid he doesn't know what is going on, a homo Scout leader, who took the job just so he could do this, is going to try to [bleep] the little boys and he probably will succeed. This is so sick.

I don't know, boys, I wonder if our country is ruined beyond repair.

+1.......... It ain't the B.S.A. I was in circa 1961-65..... Our adult leaders were all fathers of one of the kids in the troop. Just about all WWII vets who loved the outdoors. They even took us on winter camp outs in the dead of winter. Like in a foot and a half of snow. That's where I got my first snowshoe experience. Summer camp was up in the Adirondacks. Got my first bear experience there. Head scoutmaster had been a little too old for WWII but he welded steel for Uncle Sam on defense work during the war. He had done a lot of hunting in the southern tier of western NY state near the PA border back in the mid 1930's till about 1940. We used to prod him for hunting stories around the campfire at night. To this day I sometimes think of him when I'm deer hunting. From what I hear nowadays about B.S.A. I can't believe what the hell it has turned into. It's a damn shame.

What good libatrash wouldn't want to destroy that organization?

Bankruptcy does necessarily mean the end of scouting...... God I hope not. My son is an Eagle Scout and I am involved with my grandsons in the same troop my son Eagled from.

one problem as I see it was the national BSA had its own level of bureaucracy. The chief scout executive was paid about 1 million a year. That was the job gates and tillerson held. What was happening is national companies like UPS, FED EX, and others were being pressured by these liberal groups to drop their funding if the BSA didn't change its stance on gays. The scouts were also specifically targeted in other areas. the libs picked the exact right places to cause a shat storm. Basically they would find a place to pick a lawsuit that was strategically placed geographically for the right courts and the right situation. They would also find people to purposely sue the scouts for discrimination again in certain areas in cherry picked circumstances. You had a 2 pronged attack pressure for the money to leave which meant this was a threat to the national BSA and all their executives salaries AND the whole discrimination aspect. What should have happened is the scouts decentralize, meaning pretty much absolve and let the local troops and sponsors run the program and all but disband and volunteerize the national level.

the LDS church was at least 25% of their members and I would wager way more of a share of their money. Also the LDS church IMO was the most serious sponsor of the scouts overall. Yes the methodists and others have a big membership but I don't feel their congregations pushed scouting like the LDS church has. Basically as I predicted once the LDS church left the scouts would fold. However I didn't predict it would be this quickly. The LDS church also agreed to pay the scouts for 2 full years of membership. they are leaving at the end of 2019 and agreed to pay for all their troops through 2019.

a really really sad day. evil is so coordinated its scary.

The old Boy Scouts represented everything that the statists hated.

I have three boys in this age bracket now and have decided to steer them away from the Scouts, mostly because of what was forced upon them.

The current macro policy is to deter people who should go into the organization, and attract the worse people for it. Not everywhere of course. But many places are declining badly.

No thanks.

The best thing I got from the Scouts, the motto

"Be Prepared"

I got a log cabin in the NC wilderness with two propane heaters than don't use electricity. Got a full propane tank. Got a beautiful Norwegian wood stove and two year's supply of fire wood.
Got a one year supply of food in the basement. Got lots of guns. Got a 4WD Nissan pickup with studded snow tires.
Got a spring I can get water from if the electric goes out. Got five kerosene lamps, and lots of lamp oil. Lots of cigarette lighters.

I took that Boy Scout stuff seriously. Thank you, Boy Scouts!

Oh, Canteen Boy.......

I thought the Mormons name was Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints .. Sounds like they consider themselves Christain? Like many others they consider their way to be The Way. But yes, their leaving is a blow to BSA and well deserved.

I was a scout in the 1960s, My father and another WW2 combat veteran were our adult leaders. This was North Utah where it is cold. Our marine veteran leader believed in survival campouts in deep snow and long hikes in snow. We mountain climbed and floated across lakes on logs. Stayed up at Tony's Grove in Logan Canyon for 2 weeks at a time in the summer. Didn't get molested by scout leaders or drunk or anything bad. Just maybe bad sunburn for the light complected . Cooked on fires, slept in tents, and crapped in the woods. Aint happening today, with girly boys, peanut allergies, poison ivy, sharp knives and hatchets. Certainly won't have any .22 rifles along.

Fahq'em. They've destroyed themselves by trying to be inclusive to girls (who already have their own organization), homos and other deviants.

Destroying everything great about American was and is the plan of the left. Looks like they succeeded with the BSA. Their leaders let it happen. They did not have to let girls in. They did not have to include homo's. But they did.

Scouting was good when I was in it . Sad that it has been corrupted and destroyed.

This has been a long time coming; all the accommodation to the liberal left have been desperation moves by the professionals to keep the corporate money coming in. The BSA has always been two organizations at once - the traditional outdoor, leadership skills, and Americanism part for boys has been provided and taught by the volunteers, while the professionals focus on fundraising. Fundraising is important to fund camps and facilities, but much of it was focused on salaries and benefits for the professionals - to a great extent their job is to use the BSA name to raise money to pay themselves each year. The left simply took advantage of the need for lots of money and corrupted the corruptible.

I am saddened to see the current state of affairs within the Boy Scouts of America. I earned the rank of Eagle Scout in 1970. My time in Scouting was educational and enjoyable.

What a shame. A nation divided. Exactly what the Deep State wants.

Yes, and doncha think it's about time we fold, bend, spindle and mutilate the Lib Deep State of this country?

Where do we start? From the roof tops? Or meet them in the streets with clubs and iron pipes?

Scouting was also a part of my young life. This id my 10th birthday party and the ONLY party I ever had until my 60th one that my lovely wife threw for me.

I thought so too but many communities have found a way around that, I’ll just leave it there.

I am an Assistant Scoutmaster with our local troop. My oldest son made Eagle Scout this week at 15 years old. My younger son is 11 and is currently Second Class rank. I intend to stick with the program until he gets his Eagle if he wants it and is willing to put in the work.

I'm not happy with the decisions the national council has made the last few years, but the truth is that's the political reality we currently live in. They're trying to do what they have to do to survive and not be sued out of existence. The truth of the matter is though that the decisions national makes don't have that much effect on the local troops. Our local troop doesn't have a single homosexual leader. We don't have a single child molester in the troop. We have 60 good boys in the troop who we're doing our level best to mold into good men. We do manly things - we rock climb, we cave, we camp, we whitewater raft, we shoot, and we backpack. We complain about the things we don't like, but drive on and try to make a difference in these boys lives.

If you want BSA to continue to remain a great influence in young men's lives, quit bitching and get involved. Volunteer with a local troop and make a difference at the local level.

Rock climbing:


Sporting Clays district competition:


55 mile backpacking trip:


Proud dad moment this Monday night:

That's all great, jds, but my local troop decided to bring girls in because one actively involved father wants his daughter to be a fake man.
There's no getting around it, anyone who objects is labeled a "hater". As far as I'm concerned, [bleep] them & the horse they rode in on.

all this is a lot of the reason why trump got elected. People like us got tired of being told our daughters need to share restrooms with perverts. No other organization prepared young men for adulthood like scouting. its needed now more than ever.

This.

The scouts were a big part of my life when I was a kid.

Great pictures JDS

My kid isn't in scouts. We're a very rural family and I'll teach him almost everything he can learn there without the long trip to town. There is definitely a place for scouts and I support the club but.... Teaching boys (and girls) how to do stuff for yourself is not what the powers-to-be want things. Who of them in their right mind would want to train a kid to be ok on their own in a bad situation? They need people to depend on the government. The scouts are getting shut down to maintain a rank of people who depend on the government.

I was never a scout but had friends who were. Congrats to those of you who who learned the ropes.

The irony is if the BSA had stuck to their guns they would have emerged on the other side maybe poorer but leaner and stronger than before. IIRC the Explorer Posts have been admitting girls for some time, but Explorers are a whole different ball game.

Count me in as one of those who had some great outdoor experiences with the Boy Scouts.

Many years ago, I hired some new folks where I was working. I never let a Boy Scout get by me that had an Eagle Award. All of them had proven worth. Things may be different today.

The pics remind me of my time in....in the 60's ....good times...got to shoot a pistol every so often..SM said man your good with it .....to this day I love shooting my 150yard or < moose gun .....my .44.. 7.5" BH .........this is sad chit imo...

Boy Scouts were organized to keep boys out of trouble once America became more urban do to the industrialization of America at the beginning of the 20th century. When young men were working on farms and ranches they didn’t have time to get into trouble, move them to the city and things changed.

Scouting was a good activity for decades as it was all about getting boys in touch with the outdoors. As time changed it became more and more PC even before PC was fashionable. 2018 is a time of sexual confusion and the scouts followed the current acceptable model of deviancy.

Too bad, because many men became better people through scouting, but I always felt it was a program that put men and their boys in activities that they should already be involved with...

When the BSA chose to hide the files of all those that had sexually abused young boys they sealed their fate.
Most of the documented cases occurred in the 60's, 70's and 80's, long prior to recent changes in their rules.

Here is a link to what is driving them into bankruptcy.

Boy Scout ‘perversion files’

Boy Scout of America files on 1,247 volunteers expelled from about 1965 to 1985 because they were suspected of abusing children.

so with all that said, lets ad in people who are sexual deviants and force the organization to take them in, makes lots of sense.

JDS44 said it very well. I have been a leader for 22 years. My Troop has never had a leader involved in a molestation case. We have had a few Scouts over 67 years that turned out to be homosexual but they didn't appear that way while in Scouts. They didn't try anything with other boys. If they had, they probably would have gotten the $hit beat out of them. As far as girls coming into Scouts, they are not going to be in the same units as the boys. A charter organization can start a separate troop for girls. It might share the committee with the boys but must have it's own Scoutmaster and Assistants. My Troop serves an urban area and without Boy Scouts many of our members would not be introduced to outdoor recreational activities. Many of the fathers of these boys have white collar jobs and never had experience in the outdoors. In my troop, the leadership has decided to continue to give the best program that we can give. All boys are expected to meet the standards that our Troop has used for the past 67 years.

I never even heard of molesters in the BS ..u guys mean we wasn't supposed to kiss the scoutmaster at the end of the meet ? ...damm i' I'm be .....dammm

I loved the Boy Scouts! Some of my best childhood memories was when I was in the Scouts. It’s amazing of how much I learned way back then that I still have in my memory bank. DIY hunting trips in the Rockies are my grown up Scouting trips. I’m sick to my stomach at what is going on with the Scouts today.

There was no funny business going on with Scout troop I was in. Never heard of such thing until recent years. Our Scoutmasters were very respectful and honest. We were expected to be the same. I would see our old leaders many years later in life and they would always speak with you and have laughs about us when we were kids.

Very little if anything that happens in the scouts happens at the national or even the district level. It is almost ALL a function of your local Troop, which is a function of the local leadership.

If your scout troop sucks, its because of the local people in your area, not BHO.

Running from scouts because BHO or Tillerson supports gays is a BS excuse.

Run your local like men and your boys will follow.

Thats awesome. Good dad, good on you and son. Eagle at 15 is tough.

And here it is. The bottom line "
If you want BSA to continue to remain a great influence in young men's lives, quit bitching and get involved. Volunteer with a local troop and make a difference at the local level.....

We complain about the things we don't like, but drive on and try to make a difference in these boys lives."

When my son was a wee lad I enrolled him in Cub Scouts. The chapter/division or WTF they call it was ran by a woman. I couldn't get my head wrapped around that but figured what the hell.

I was immediately recruited to be the den leader or whatever the fugk they called it and I did so for one year. I saw absolute zero value in any of the curriculum, the leaders, or the organization in general.

Whatever you people get or got out of that organization escapes me.

Perks are different by venue. There's a BSA camp about 10-11 miles down stream on the Brazos River from Possum Kingdom Dam. Water released from Morris Sheppard Dam, (i.e. Possum Kingdom) maintains a state mandated "in stream flow" which means the Brazos (in this section between man made lakes) never drys up and flows freely from Possum Kingdom lake to Lake Whitney; roughly 145 miles. Additionally water released from Possum Kingdom Dam is discharged from a depth of 70 feet which creates a constant water temperature of close to 70 degrees year round in the first 4 or so miles below Morris Sheppard Dam. This stretch of river has limited access and traverses through steep walled canyons and scenic private property. Putting all of this together creates an outstanding fishery and provides and ideal wilderness setting for family camping.
This BSA camp promotes and provides all kinds of outdoor activities such as building rope bridges, log tee pees, shelters, open fire cooking, camping and canoeing. In other words..., this is what BSA is supposed to be rather than a weekly night Mother's Den meeting. Unfortunately it looks like politics has ruined this for all future generations.

The Boy Scouts is primarily a white male organization. That's why it was attacked.

So be it. The only survival strategy is disbandment & reconstitution. Let the Left keep going after different orgs. Once they think they have one, another pops up.


Like I said, they aren't putting girls in separate troops in my area. They are joining the boys. Boy Scouts must die.

And we have a winner..

it also teaches love for country, patriotism, independence, and despite the recent changes proper roles for males, Its tuff to find anything that is so counter to what the left believes.