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I love rifle cartridges. Their histories. The trends they cater to. All the shapes and sizes. Then there are all the different rifles they have been adapted to. There is no better love affair. Unless it be with an auburn haired beauty with eyes that melt your soul and stop your heart. I can justify my opinions. Doesn't make it gospel,just quantified daydreaming. Gun writers have been doing it since the beginning. Shifting trends by drawing attention to certain rounds often at the expense of others. Maybe on the whims and wishes of the industry or publisher? Be it deduction or diatribe. I'd take posing over a critter Hornady paid for as opposed to actually working for a living.
Boiled down. A cartridge case is a vessel for the propellant. A malleable seal for the gasses that force the bullet from the barrel. The rest is bull chit that drives one of the most dynamic industries in the world.
100% on the above! For better or worse, I've paid for all my bullets, primers, brass, powder rifles and critters, all but two DIY (a mule deer and a bear). I can truly say, I did it my way! Don't shoot thousands of bullets of any one iteration, but have shot quite a few during load development for the different chamberings listed below. Of course I've shot other chamberings, but factory fodder for which I did not load, I did not include. Here is a list of the ones that come to mind. Prolly a few more, but these days I seem to be afflicted with "sometimers". ya! GWB 17 ackley hornet 17 hornady hornet 17 hebee 17 mach iv 17 fireball 17 remington 19 Calhoon 20 Vartarg Tactical 20 22 Hornet 218 Bee 222 Remington 222 Remington Mag 223 Remington 223 AI 22-250 220 Swift 6mm Br Remington 243 Win 6mm Creedmoor 6 x 45 6 x 47 6-284 240 Weatherby 250 Savage 250-3000 AI 257 Roberts 257 Bob AI 25-06 257 Roy 6.5 x 55 260 Remington 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 x 284 6.5 Leopard (6.5-300WSM) 270 Win 270 WSM 7-30 Waters 7mm-08 7 x 57 280 Remington 280 AI 7mm WSM 7 Mag 7 STW 300 Blackout 30-30 303 Savage 308 Win 30-06 300 H&H 300 WSM 300 Win Mag 300 Roy 300 RUM 325 WSM 338 Federal 338-06 338-06 AI 338 RUM 338-378KT 338 Lapua 9.3 x 62 9.3 x 74 375 H & H 45-70 458 Win. 458 Lott 380 9mm 38 Special 38 Super 357 Mag 40 S&W 10 MM 41 Mag 44 special 44 mag 45 ACP 454 Casul
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Holy chit! That's a LOT of different offerings. Mind boggling.
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I love rifle cartridges. Their histories. The trends they cater to. All the shapes and sizes. Then there are all the different rifles they have been adapted to. There is no better love affair. Unless it be with an auburn haired beauty with eyes that melt your soul and stop your heart. I can justify my opinions. Doesn't make it gospel,just quantified daydreaming. Gun writers have been doing it since the beginning. Shifting trends by drawing attention to certain rounds often at the expense of others. Maybe on the whims and wishes of the industry or publisher? Be it deduction or diatribe. I'd take posing over a critter Hornady paid for as opposed to actually working for a living.
Boiled down. A cartridge case is a vessel for the propellant. A malleable seal for the gasses that force the bullet from the barrel. The rest is bull chit that drives one of the most dynamic industries in the world.
100% on the above! For better or worse, I've paid for all my bullets, primers, brass, powder rifles and critters, all but two DIY (a mule deer and a bear). I can truly say, I did it my way! Don't shoot thousands of bullets of any one iteration, but have shot quite a few during load development for the different chamberings listed below. Of course I've shot other chamberings, but factory fodder for which I did not load, I did not include. Here is a list of the ones that come to mind. Prolly a few more, but these days I seem to be afflicted with "sometimers". ya! GWB 17 ackley hornet 17 hornady hornet 17 hebee 17 mach iv 17 fireball 17 remington 19 Calhoon 20 Vartarg Tactical 20 22 Hornet 218 Bee 222 Remington 222 Remington Mag 223 Remington 223 AI 22-250 220 Swift 6mm Br Remington 243 Win 6mm Creedmoor 6 x 45 6 x 47 6-284 240 Weatherby 250 Savage 250-3000 AI 257 Roberts 257 Bob AI 25-06 257 Roy 6.5 x 55 260 Remington 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 x 284 6.5 Leopard (6.5-300WSM) 270 Win 270 WSM 7-30 Waters 7mm-08 7 x 57 280 Remington 280 AI 7mm WSM 7 Mag 7 STW 300 Blackout 30-30 303 Savage 308 Win 30-06 300 H&H 300 WSM 300 Win Mag 300 Roy 300 RUM 325 WSM 338 Federal 338-06 338-06 AI 338 RUM 338-378KT 338 Lapua 9.3 x 62 9.3 x 74 375 H & H 45-70 458 Win. 458 Lott 380 9mm 38 Special 38 Super 357 Mag 40 S&W 10 MM 41 Mag 44 special 44 mag 45 ACP 454 Casul Mr. GWB...you da' man! Living the dream.
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Because it's really a 7X57.
Ted ^^^^This.^^^^ And like the Prodigal Son, even ol' Ingwe has finally come home. RM
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I don’t think I’ll ever NOT have a 7mm08 - just too handy of a rifle and capable for 90% of my hunting needs.
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I don’t think I’ll ever NOT have a 7mm08 - just too handy of a rifle and capable for 90% of my hunting needs. +1 But I kinda like having 3 or more at all times
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Geedubya, That’s an amazing list of cartridges. Boy, would I like to share a campfire with you someday!
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Agreed. I can only claim 16 off that list,and one that isn't listed.
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I love rifle cartridges. Their histories. The trends they cater to. All the shapes and sizes. Then there are all the different rifles they have been adapted to. There is no better love affair. Unless it be with an auburn haired beauty with eyes that melt your soul and stop your heart. I can justify my opinions. Doesn't make it gospel,just quantified daydreaming. Gun writers have been doing it since the beginning. Shifting trends by drawing attention to certain rounds often at the expense of others. Maybe on the whims and wishes of the industry or publisher? Be it deduction or diatribe. I'd take posing over a critter Hornady paid for as opposed to actually working for a living.
Boiled down. A cartridge case is a vessel for the propellant. A malleable seal for the gasses that force the bullet from the barrel. The rest is bull chit that drives one of the most dynamic industries in the world.
100% on the above! For better or worse, I've paid for all my bullets, primers, brass, powder rifles and critters, all but two DIY (a mule deer and a bear). I can truly say, I did it my way! Don't shoot thousands of bullets of any one iteration, but have shot quite a few during load development for the different chamberings listed below. Of course I've shot other chamberings, but factory fodder for which I did not load, I did not include. Here is a list of the ones that come to mind. Prolly a few more, but these days I seem to be afflicted with "sometimers". ya! GWB 17 ackley hornet 17 hornady hornet 17 hebee 17 mach iv 17 fireball 17 remington 19 Calhoon 20 Vartarg Tactical 20 22 Hornet 218 Bee 222 Remington 222 Remington Mag 223 Remington 223 AI 22-250 220 Swift 6mm Br Remington 243 Win 6mm Creedmoor 6 x 45 6 x 47 6-284 240 Weatherby 250 Savage 250-3000 AI 257 Roberts 257 Bob AI 25-06 257 Roy 6.5 x 55 260 Remington 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 x 284 6.5 Leopard (6.5-300WSM) 270 Win 270 WSM 7-30 Waters 7mm-08 7 x 57 280 Remington 280 AI 7mm WSM 7 Mag 7 STW 300 Blackout 30-30 303 Savage 308 Win 30-06 300 H&H 300 WSM 300 Win Mag 300 Roy 300 RUM 325 WSM 338 Federal 338-06 338-06 AI 338 RUM 338-378KT 338 Lapua 9.3 x 62 9.3 x 74 375 H & H 45-70 458 Win. 458 Lott 380 9mm 38 Special 38 Super 357 Mag 40 S&W 10 MM 41 Mag 44 special 44 mag 45 ACP 454 Casul Gee, you missed one we share a love for....the .376 steyr.
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Gee, you missed one we share a love for....the .376 steyr.
Did I mention that I'm a victim of "sometimers" Fixed that! 17 ackley hornet 17 hornady hornet 17 hebee 17 mach iv 17 fireball 17 remington 19 Calhoon 20 Vartarg Tactical 20 22 Hornet 218 Bee 222 Remington 222 Remington Mag 223 Remington 223 AI 22-250 220 Swift 6mm Br Remington 243 Win 6mm Creedmoor 6 x 45 6 x 47 6-284 240 Weatherby 250 Savage 250-3000 AI 257 Roberts 257 Bob AI 25-06 257 Roy 6.5 x 55 260 Remington 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 x 284 6.5 Leopard (6.5-300WSM) 270 Win 270 WSM 7-30 Waters 7mm-08 7 x 57 280 Remington 280 AI 7mm WSM 7 Mag 7 STW 300 Blackout 30-30 303 Savage 308 Win 30-06 300 H&H 300 WSM 300 Win Mag 300 Roy 300 RUM 325 WSM 338 Federal 338-06 338-06 AI 338 RUM 338-378KT 338 Lapua 9.3 x 62 9.3 x 74 375 H & H 376 Steyr 45-70 458 Win. 458 Lott 380 9mm 38 Special 38 Super 357 Mag 40 S&W 10 MM 41 Mag 44 special 44 mag 45 ACP 454 Casul ya! GWB
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I only shoot 8mm Mouser(J).
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I only shoot 8mm Mouser(J).
Laughing!............... Back at ya! ya! GWB
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It has become more popular to hunters due to a change in philosophy. As stated on here several times "bullets matter" and with today's advent of caring less about muzzle velocity and more about a projectiles G1 hunters today are more concerned with retained velocity and wind bucking performance well downrange. This equates to utilizing a fast twist barrel and heavy for caliber bullet. The .284 bore offers a supreme sweet spot for maximizing heavy bullets and a fast twist barrel and the 7-08 Rem does it very well with tolerable recoil in rifles having superb attributes. Obviously this is the reason for 6.5mm Creedmoor success and assume the 6mm Creedmoor will follow suit. Pure physics dictates that in order to accomplish this with a .308 bore, the 308 Win will lag behind the 7-08 Rem due to weight being pushed to obtain a G1 design that can run with the .284. In order to achieve parody with the likes of a .264 or .284 in a .308 you would need to shoot a load with 210-250 grain bullets and would require significantly more powder and recoil to do so. The .338 bore offers some exceptional G1 projectiles, but again heavy bullet weights with 80-120 grains of powder and fierce recoil are hard for most to overcome in this setup. That is why a 338 Lapua is an exceptional military weapon on a heavy sniper rifle platform being able to hit targets accurately at 2,000 meters. Years back hunters were only concerned with maximum muzzle velocity, flat string trajectories with long shots being 300-400 yards. Today you have the mighty G1 to evaluate first, optics of today are incredible and hunters appear to be more interested in performance at 600-800 yards. It is the way things are going or at least being marketed, however anything in your safe will probably work fine in the field without getting too cutting edge. Rifle loonies (which I am one) tend to overthink all aspects and love to roll around in the minutiae. In the game field it matters much less.
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Losing recoil,increasing impact velocity and minimizing wind drift...will never hurt Tag Punchin',no matter how incessantly Widow Lickers Whine their Cluelessness through trembling lips.
Hint.................
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Imitation,is THE most Sincere form of Flattery. HINT. Congratulations?!?
When it's all said and done with you Clueless Lying Pieces Of Fhuqking Schit,there will have been a fhuqk of a LOT more said...than done. You'll obliviously prove same,yet again. Hint. LAUGHING!
Folks who "know" and "do" as "much" as you,are always best served by asking questions,rather than TRYING to give "answers".
Your High Heeled Hissy Fits never wane,in their splendor!
Bless your heart.
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I only shoot 8mm Mouser(J).
Laughing!............... Speaking of Mousers....... I got ya' on that one..... prolly is at least 153 MM, nose to tail! anywho, this Mouser was called in to 17 paces. Not only did it knock him cross-eyed,but it also removed most of his spots. Hence I call this NEF 3" Mag Slug gun, "The Spot Remover" or perhaps you meant Mausers........ Top: Custom Mesquite stocked M98, 7mm x 57, Bottom: Custom M98, 35 Whelen Quien Sabe? GWB
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Texans and their version of everything,are simply fhuqking Hilarious. Hint. Congratulations?!? Bitchin' Mouse Fence! Bless your heart. Laughing!....................
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Since I started this thread, it’s been interesting hearing why some love a rifle chambered in 7-08 and could never see themselves without one...And, a few who see no reason this cartridge needs to fill a space in their gun safe...Personally, I was and still am indifferent towards it, even after buying arguably a tier one custom build thanks to Lone Wolf. Since buying the 7-08 I had the perfect hunting opportunity to try it out. A depredation cow tag on pasture land. Shooting distance could start at 150 yards, going out as far as 650 yards depending on the size of the property holding a herd of elk. My intention is to handload for the 7-08 and I have now received via Big Brown Truck all the loading components required, but due to timing of my cow hunt, boxed ammo was the choice if I was going to use the rifle. I bought a box of Nosler 140g AB and a box of Hornady 150g eldx. Sighting in using both, I elected to go with the eldx cartridge even though the rifle liked the Nosler 140g a little better. Yesterday morning my once simple and easy grocery store elk hunt turned into a mini real hunt since the elk herds were not wanting to cooperate by staying in the fields long enough to reach shooting time. We decided to hunt them above the timber line in a clear cut. A herd of approximately 30 were spotted feeding on a cut. Bulls were present showing a couple of branches, several spikes and some rag horns intermixed with the cows. All the elk were feeding and under no stress, which was ideal for trying the 7-08. Shooting a cow that is static and not under stress would let me see what the cartridge was capable of doing, if I did my part and put a solid hit into it. The range was 427 yards. I had a single cow standing broadside to me feeding, head down, face buried into something really tasty since she wasn’t walking and eating...For those coming late to this thread, the rifle was an Accurate Ordnance build with a 22” barrel. A SWFA 3-15x42 Mq on top and 150g eldx rolling at a published speed of 2770. Likely the real speed being closer to 2740 taking into consideration its box ammo and a 22” barrel. With a Harris bipod attached I was comfortable resting the reticle behind her left front shoulder. On the break of the shot, recoil took me off the cow, but I could hear the “whack” of the bullet hitting. The clear cut turned into brief chaos with elk going everywhere until they formed up into a single line following the lead cow up to the top of the ridge and over out of sight...Elk gone. Except for the cow I had shot. She’s still there almost in the same position. I scoped her, but I couldn’t see any visual signs that she’d been hit. Not wanting to shoot a second cow, if the one I shot at was already down, but I just couldn’t see it laying. I put my rifle down and started looking over the cut with my nocs looking for a dead elk...Nothing except this same cow still standing there. Back on the rifle I go... I’m watching her through the scope until I could see her take a step, and awkward step at that. She’s hit. Ranged her again and confirmed 429 yards. Reticle resting again behind her shoulder. Touched off, whack could be heard, and she tipped over, finally! We climbed up into the cut...Found her dead. Dropped guts and the three of us started dragging her down the cut to a lower tractor road where the rancher was able to get his loader in position to collect the cow. Then trucked her through his pasture and a swift creek and up to the main property road where I had shot from and my truck waiting for the groceries. Done! Got home and hoisted the cow up to start taking the hide off, I’m very curious to see what happend to the bullets. I found one stuck into the hide on the opposite side from where I shot her. It was almost a total pass through. Not bad! The second bullet was also found on the opposite side but buried into the right shoulder. Damage from both bullets was limited and isolated, with the right shoulder losing only 15-20% of meat. Most of the meat loss was exclusively to the rib meat and some of that was from bruising after being thrown down a mountain side. My feelings based on a couple of good hits on an elk with a 7-08 at 427 yards is this. I need more information than just what I’ve seen from using box ammo...I know handloading will improve this rifle for me. I liked a lot of things about the rifle and the cartridge. It’s a keeper...
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Congrats on the elk and new rifle. I love the 7mm-08 and have 2 currently and looking for a 3rd, probably a Fieldcraft
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