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if trump foundation wants to buy all that land and more, have there own recreation area , so to speak,
willing buyer, willing seller type deal, pay 2x what the real market will bear, good or bad?

more taxes for local economy?, could cut of access, but so could anyone, dont understand rationale of being upset over private parties buying private land and doing as they see fit, pay there taxes ect,,,, wilkes have a big piece of pie in montana , what if they want to run buffalo on there land?

i live there, own property, recreate, ect, locales really seem to hate the idea, i hate the ideas of some of the locales how they treat there land and there leases,,, but im not trying to tell them what to do with there private land,,,,

ive spent numerous days recreating on AP land so far, some of it well managed some of it not so much,

way to many legal roads thru the north side to worry about closing all access,
will always be a great debate though,,,

This sums it up, at least partially. Open mind, you have to be kidding. Against the livestock industry, absolutely...

Un-prosecuted felon, absolutely...

pretty much how I think about it...……….bob

>>>1st Chuck Norris of Montana NO YOUR A DEAD BEAT "FELON" IN MONTANA ! why has this felon not been arrested ? somebody needs to contact a law office and put this idiot in jail/prison !

>> Bob you 110 % right << thanks for posting the truth !

How long have Local ranchers been buying up private land to lock up large parcels of public? Seems to me that the rate at which it's happening has increased exponentially with the advent of the outdoor channel and the internet. Maybe I'm wrong, I only really started paying attention to that sort of thing about 2000 when I'd graduated college and landed a career that afforded me enough time and $$ to consider hunting out of state. For all I know that sort of thing has been going on since WWI.

My opinions regarding APR come from reading what I've read on their website including the BIO's of their BOD, nothing more. I've spent a whopping 2.5 days in that country during opening week of 2018 deer/elk season and that's the only time I've spent off of Hwy 2 in that country. That said, I can read a map and it wouldn't take very many road closures in that country to have an awful lot of the W end of the CMR inaccessible short of Hwy191 or coming up off of the river.

There's a loop off of Cow Island Road that runs through the Wilkes Ranch on the NE end and through the Pinwheel ranch on the SW end. That loop of trail provides access to nearly 100Sq Mi within 3Mi of the trail. When we got to the Wilkes Ranch access to that trail was gated off and posted private road, which it certainly appears to be. ~2300ac blocks access to 100Sq Mi. According to the big paper map we bought in Chinook or Harlem (can't recall which) it looks like this should be a public trail but given how the gate was signed, I wasn't about to test the water. Based on the BLM maps and GPS chips I have, It wouldn't take but about 12-15 similar situations and the N end of the CMR would be nearly impossible to access.

We weren't really hunting, more scouting deer #'s and access to country we'd never been in. We'd killed our elk early further south and decided to look at new country. I can't say I hunted any of that country, more like took a few days driving around with binocs and spotting scopes.

If I'm missing something, I'm all ears.

horse...…..my point is ...it doesn't matter who buys it...….rancher, or anyone else...….more than likely access will be cut off.

been happening since the west has been settled.....

if it is for sale, its going to be bought...……….on the other hand, friend of mine had a ranch eastern montana….put it up for sale no one bought it till either the land or nature conserves' bought and gave it to the CMR …..now its all public land.

everyone had a chance to buy it...…...bob

Everyone wants to make the claim that ranchers buy the land to close it off same as possible with APR.

Not true. Not a valid comparison.

True, some ranches are bought by private parties and they clamp down access. But show me a rancher who is acquiring land in the scope the apr is with the specific desire to control the wildlife and access. Not out there.

apr is a consortium of out-of-state money that is being used to greatly alter the landscape of our rural area. Read the bios of those behind this. If you think these guys have anyone's interest at heart but their own idyllic view of how us they know better than the rest of us about how things should be done, you are kidding yourself. Typical liberal viewpoint that they are so much smarter than the rest of us.

look at a bunch of ranches for sale,,,,, if the public land attached to the private, that fact would never be mentioned in an add,,,,,, ranches are sold everyday on the fact of how much public land leases go with the ranch, how well those public parcels can be secured,

over night a 1000 acre deeded ranch is advertised as a 4500 acre ranch and priced accordingly, but , its still 1000 acre of private, health of range and wildlife on those leases add many dollars to the total price,,,,

not many of us, if we had the funds, would not do the same as apr, buy and piece together a large spread so we can control access, resources( water, grass, wildlife),

look at sold realestate in the west , over 1000 acres, when your research is done, tell us how many of these ranches have controlled access to the resources, leased to outfitters, non tresspassing, private resorts of such, its being done everyday,,,


now if apr were scamming every landowner out of there land or locking every gate maybe i would be dead set against them, in the coming years pay attention to private land access and see if it gets better or worse for us non-rich people,,,

i could almost see the day that APR and CMR end up in bed together, will just take the right political climate,,,,

VERY WELL SAID AND POSTED ! this is what I have been saying and posting too !

DENIED ACCESS and Montana shoulder season go hand in hand just watch how poor elk hunting will be in a few years ?

So why don't the locals want these guys buying land, they're hippies and won't be running cows?

I thought all you right wingers believed in private property rights. Or is that only when convenient?

who says they don't?...…...for the record......I am for property rights....be it...ranchers....tree huggers...or the guy with a house in a subdivision.....bob

This thread is a literal retard magnet.

Throw in some wolves, wilderness trophy homes and a whole bunch more outta state money/influence and we'll be saved!


And buffalo and yurts....



How could I forget that eco-tourism is gonna be our saving grace.



Hunting?



Yeah right.



Like I said, retard magnet.



Seacrest out.

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the thing is......if someone puts their land up for sale........no telling who's going to buy it.........bob

I've done a fair bit of hunting on APR land and I have no complaints about the access.

Also, a deal struck between a willing buyer and a willing seller is nobodies business but the 2 parties involved.

If you don't like APR buying private land, good, find some funding and out-bid them or stop complaining.

I don't dive a flying fuuck about them buying land.


It's their intentions that annoy me.


Of course you'd suck it right up.