Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Have you used the .223 for deer/antelope?

I've got nothing to add (other than Ingwe being "old", not "older") but some pictures of .223 killed deer and antelope.

Bullet/bullets used? Vanilla 223 or AI'd?

You need a 6mm 'cause of numerology. Small numbers mean power, and you cannot argue with St. Augustine of Hippo - first, he's a saint, and second, he's dead.



I could never trust using a 223 for deer, but a 6mm/223 is different. The 6mm/223 is smaller, but it's a vastly superior cartridge. I can prove it using math and numericals in numerology..

223 - 2+2+3 = 7
6/223 - 6+2+2+3 = 13 - 1+3 = 4 (4 is smaller than 7)

From this, we see that a 223 is a 7. The 6mm/223 is a 4.

Saint Augustine might argue that you got lucky, being able to take those animals. 7 is a lucky number after all.

Even in metricals, it works the same.

5.56x45mm - 5+5+6+4+5 = 25 --- 2+5 = 7
6x45mm - 6+4+5 = 15 --- 1+5 = 6 (6 is smaller than 7)

Mathematically speaking, the proof is right in front of you. Perhaps that is the reason why Americans don't like metricals, but you cannot deny science!

Ingwe, are you using that bullet is 223AI? Or just regular 223? Mind sharing your load data?

Well, it worked for this kid. If you have 22 minutes to kill, this video is pretty entertaining. Almost 1.7 million other folks agree.

**spoiler alert** He actually kills a nice buck in the end.

More likely because they read over and over again in gun/hunting magazines how .22 centerfires were woefully inadequate and should never be used on deer. I remember reading that many times in gun/hunting rags in articles written by many different gun writers. It wasn't until relatively recently that some writers changed their tune and started writing articles about using .22 centerfires on deer. Mostly none did until the introduction of .22 caliber "big game" bullets like the Nosler partition and Barnes x.

Steve, the 6/223 would equal 6 / 2+2+3 which would equal 6 / 7, which is about .85.

Wayyyy smaller than 7. Do you know anything about rifles?

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I remember watching one of the Alaska shows on discovery. They had a bear coming in at night eating their salmon. They caught the bear in the act, couple shots from an AR (only assume it was 223 or 556) and it was over with!

Those were all with the 62 TSX from a vanilla .223. Ranges from 80 yards to 552 yards.

Back in St Augustine's day (400 A.D.), they didn't use the / (slash) for division. Division wasn't invented until the 1700s. Multiple-cation was developed by Ben Franklin in the 1700s also, to explain taxation to farmers. That's what I learned in school.

New math rules were the reason why you see the 6mm/223 written so many different ways - including 6x45mm. If we applied modern mathemication rules to the metrical designation, the 6x45mm would be a 9. That is, 6x45 = 270. 2+7+0 = 9. But we can't, so it isn't.

Gotcha.

I needed to break out the old slide ruler for that.

9mm is gayer than a rainbow flag sticking out of Obama's ass, so I guess 9 really does equal 270.

God, I feel sooooo smart.

The mule deer...nice one...really nice one...

Killed a black bear with a 22-250. That probably doesn't count, does it? Was still only in my long-johns, hadn't got the camo on yet--so it wasn't ethical, I guess.

He was a thiever and am sure it was the load of guilt he was carrying that made him go down so dang fast...relief no doubt...thought I had missed him at first....

With Aussie here--hate cleaning small bores.

This is what will happen to us if the U.S. adopts the metric system.

I quit using the 53 TSX some time ago and opted instead for the 'newer' 55 grain TTSX

I shoot it both in .223 and .223AI...along with a bunch of others....


Load data is: .223-55 gr TTSX- 27.4 grains CFE223

.223AI- 55 gr. TTSX- 28.5 gr. CFE223



Plain vanilla 223 with 55 TTSX

Good powder choice - CFE223 - 2+2+3 = 7

A powerful propellant.

Blackheart,

Yeah, a lot of gun writers were writing that when I started hunting. Didn't believe it for long, however, as too many hunters I knew used 'em--and not too much later I did too--first the .220 Swift with a so-called varmint bullet weighing 60 grains, that as far as I could tell worked just about like 100-grain bullets from a .243.

Of course, there were some gun writers who said the .243 was too small as well when it came out. But they were even older than Ingwe.

That, and we had fewer .224 bullets stout enough to do the job.

T,
I think he's from Canukia. And knows all about Cooey's. They're rifles up there I hear.

I believe we know cooeys as something different down on this side of the medicine line. (See .223 AI thread, but you already know that)

Now, what bullet do I use to take deer with a 1:14 twist .222

Geno

T-Inman, really nice photos... that Mulie buck is exceptional.

My son took his first Two antelope bucks with the 223... one and done, and both at 250 yards.