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Ambien is my very occasional solution when I absolutely gotta get a full night's sleep... Being tired is tough. And tough on those around me.


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I have to give a 30 minute presentation in front of 30-40 people tomorrow for work. The worst thing you can do to me is make me speak in front of a crowd. Let's just say I haven't slept in a week. Can't wait until it's over with.

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Originally Posted by Bootsfishing
diphenhydramine tablets work well.... it's the sleep aid in aleve PM's. You can get a bottle from walmart for around $4. 1 or 2 before bed works well.

That stuff leaves me feeling chitty in the morning. I use it though. I prefer the liquid form, Walmart's version, alcohol free.


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Originally Posted by GreatWaputi
Fuggn Ambien should go the way of Phen-Phen. Damn dangerous stuff that causes far more problems than it solves.


What kinds of problems?

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" Dr. gave me some spray medicine called Fluticasone Propionate, that helped a little, but did not get rid of it."

Flonase right? It's a steroid so it only works if you use it every day when you're stopped up. I use another nose spray (also a steroid) called Nascort that works much for me that Flonase. You can get a 3 month supply at Costco for around $30, my grocery store also has it.


I got an RX for that from a ENT specialist. 3 months into it I visited my Opthamologist for a yearly checkup. She said my vision had changed and that particular RX will aggravate cataracts and make them larger.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Fuggn Ambien should go the way of Phen-Phen. Damn dangerous stuff that causes far more problems than it solves.


What kinds of problems?


DUI's, texting/calling people saying crazy stuff with no recollection, hallucinations, wandering around the neighborhood nude/partially nude, eating odd stuff such as sticks of butter, all kinds of weird behaviors. And most people require increasing doses in order to get the same effect over time and have a hell of time getting off of it. Yeah, they say it's non habit forming, but try going off of it and see how that works out.

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Originally Posted by GreatWaputi
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Fuggn Ambien should go the way of Phen-Phen. Damn dangerous stuff that causes far more problems than it solves.


What kinds of problems?


DUI's, texting/calling people saying crazy stuff with no recollection, hallucinations, wandering around the neighborhood nude/partially nude, eating odd stuff such as sticks of butter, all kinds of weird behaviors. And most people require increasing doses in order to get the same effect over time and have a hell of time getting off of it. Yeah, they say it's non habit forming, but try going off of it and see how that works out.


I've heard of those things, but I've never experienced anything like that.

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Pills do work, but being on call 24/7 doesn't much allow them. Never know when the pager goes off.... hopefully the reward for that volunteer work is in heaven.

Not sleeping sucks.

Finally falling asleep at 430 am sucks almost as bad.


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didn't read the whole thread, but in case nobody mentioned it, get some melatonin. between that and raising the head of the bed about 6 inches made a world of difference in my sleep. i also cut down on the coffee which sucked for a week or so but also helps i think. i drink about 32 oz in the morning vs at least twice that amount before.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
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Fuggn Ambien should go the way of Phen-Phen. Damn dangerous stuff that causes far more problems than it solves.


What kinds of problems?


DUI's, texting/calling people saying crazy stuff with no recollection, hallucinations, wandering around the neighborhood nude/partially nude, eating odd stuff such as sticks of butter, all kinds of weird behaviors. And most people require increasing doses in order to get the same effect over time and have a hell of time getting off of it. Yeah, they say it's non habit forming, but try going off of it and see how that works out.


I've heard of those things, but I've never experienced anything like that.

No issues either. Some lively dreams. It would be foolish to use it on a regular basis and not expect problems as it's a narcotic. One of my doctors didn't think it was funny - that I thought it was funny - about the sleep sex warning. LOL Like I'd care.


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took a 2 hr nap this afternoon. i've found taking a couple benadrel helps.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by colodog


Ambien may put you out but is being sedated the same as sleeping?



For me, Ambien doesn't cause me to feel sedated. If I wake up during the night for whatever reason, I feel like somebody who has just woken up.

It would be good if I didn't need it any longer. But I've not found a substitute.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/search/search-results?q=ambien

Ambien is a hypnotic not a sedative so it's not addictive but it has some BAD side effects. I tried one prescription of Ambien years ago when I was having trouble with insomnia but I hated it. I would take it at bedtime and wake up 8 hours with no memory of anything but when took the Ambien at bedtime. I usually dream a lot but never had a dream when I took Ambien. I would wake up in the morning about to piss my pants because I always wake up at least once a night needing to pee. One of the BAD side effects is:

"some people who take zolpidem (Ambien) or similar medications, such as eszopiclone (Lunesta), do things while asleep that they don't remember — such as driving, or preparing and eating food. Because you're not awake, these are dangerous behaviors."

I witnessed a friend named Bob who was taking Ambien sleep walk on a South Padre Island fishing trip. We went to bed about 10:00 got up about 5;30 to eat breakfast and we couldn't find Bob. We finally found him standing in a walk in closet. He was awake but didn't know where he was or how he ended up in the closet. A few nights later he disappeared again but we couldn't find him in the condo. We went outside to search and found that his truck and boat were gone. We got a call later that morning from Bob who was in a hospital in Laredo being checked out. He had crossed the center line on the highway south of Laredo and hit a car head on. Amazingly no one was injured. Bob had no memory of leaving the condo or having the crash. He did stop taking Ambien though.



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"I've heard of those things, but I've never experienced anything like that."

If you did any weird things you wouldn't remember doing them.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by GreatWaputi


DUI's, texting/calling people saying crazy stuff with no recollection, hallucinations, wandering around the neighborhood nude/partially nude, eating odd stuff such as sticks of butter, all kinds of weird behaviors. And most people require increasing doses in order to get the same effect over time and have a hell of time getting off of it. Yeah, they say it's non habit forming, but try going off of it and see how that works out.


I've heard of those things, but I've never experienced anything like that.



You need to go back and look at some of your late night posts. wink


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Originally Posted by rost495
Pills do work, but being on call 24/7 doesn't much allow them. Never know when the pager goes off.... hopefully the reward for that volunteer work is in heaven.

Not sleeping sucks.

Finally falling asleep at 430 am sucks almost as bad.


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Originally Posted by victoro
"I've heard of those things, but I've never experienced anything like that."

If you did any weird things you wouldn't remember doing them.


I'm quite sure that my wife, who is a light sleeper, would inform me if I did.

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Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) is what I recommend. A bottle of 500 is about $5 at Costco, if you don’t need the NSAID just take straight Benadryl. In my non in depth research I found that it’s <virtually> impossible to OD from diphenhydramine and is usually not contraindicated with other meds. Never used melatonin and have heard how great it is for some and how it doesn’t affect others. You might eventually develop a tolerance to the amount you’re taking so over time you might have to increase your dose by 25mg at a time. For most people 50mg (2 tablets) is enough to get a decent nights sleep but if not increase it by 1 tablet per night until you find the magic number.

Working out really helps with sleeping. Good luck.


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My brother in law took Ambien. He had to take more and more for it to work. He would see Jesus on the ceiling of the bunkhouse, ghosts floating outside, he eventually blew his head off with a 12 gauge. I think the Ambien had a lot to do with that. He was going to work zombied out on that crap, lost his job, cshit went south after that. The only time I ever saw wifey cry was when the detective called to ask her if she wanted that shotgun back.

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Originally Posted by stxhunter
sucks, i go 2-3 nights with only getting a couple hours sleep then crash for about 8 hours.... its getting old.



I’m in a similar boat. A guy i work with takes zzzzquil every morning after shift and says he sleeps soundly. It’s supposedly non habit forming.


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Originally Posted by dale06
I’m 67 and generally sleep well.
In my case, exercise make a big difference.
No exercise, far less sleep.



Yep, me too, works sometimes when you don't want it to. If I put in 90 min - 2 hrs cycling/weight lifting before work, sometimes by the afternoon I'll be literally falling asleep on my feet. Not a good thing when ya got a classroom of savages to control crazy

But yeah, exercise is the most potent sleep promoting agent I know.


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