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Not sure what sub-forum this should go in, but there is traffic here so...
I bought an older savage 110, haven't looked it up but I'ld say early 70's. It's drilled for receiver sights, so I picked up a old redfield peep sight to try out. The hole is way to small for me to see through. I don't have a lot of experience with peeps. What size aperture opening would be a good compromise for target and deer hunting. I'm young so bi-focals or problems focusing isn't normally an issue.
I'm going to take the sight to work tomorrow and measure the opening, Might even take the one off my rolling block to compare.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks
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Redfield made many different peeps, most have the main "sight hole" threaded and can be changed for one with a larger or smaller hole. One could always use a small drill to enlarge the "peep" Target sights are usually smaller compared to "hunting peeps" .
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That's purely subjective, and prevailing light conditions factor in also. The simplest solution is to acquire a Merit adjustable iris (it opens and closes like the f-stops in a camera lens). They aren't cheap, but not expensive either. They turn up on ebay frequently, heck they may even still make them. I bought a fistful of them years ago and haven't been paying much attention lately. Screw it onto the sight and open/close the iris to suit current conditions. Pretty simple.
The alternative is to buy a few apertures in different diameters and select whichever one the moment calls for. A place called Apertures-n-More sells them for something like $10, maybe a skinch more. One could also make one's own, the standard 7/32-40 thread pitch works for all Lyman/Redfield/Williams sights, but for as cheaply as A-n-M sells them it's hardly worth the time spent.
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For giggles, try shooting it without the aperture, you might be surprised at the accuracy. When my oldest was first learning to shoot she said she "couldn't see", so I removed it just so she could shoot. Tried it myself and was pretty surprised.
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I'd just remove the aperture and call it a day.
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Not sure what sub-forum this should go in, but there is traffic here so...
I bought an older savage 110, haven't looked it up but I'ld say early 70's. It's drilled for receiver sights, so I picked up a old redfield peep sight to try out. The hole is way to small for me to see through. I don't have a lot of experience with peeps. What size aperture opening would be a good compromise for target and deer hunting. I'm young so bi-focals or problems focusing isn't normally an issue.
I'm going to take the sight to work tomorrow and measure the opening, Might even take the one off my rolling block to compare.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks I use the standard .093" aperture for range toys, and ones drilled out with a 9/64" drill for ones I want to hunt with. This is the largest fractional drill the shank will accept. Many just remove the aperture, but more than .150" is just too large for me to work with.
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Not sure what sub-forum this should go in, but there is traffic here so...
I bought an older savage 110, haven't looked it up but I'ld say early 70's. It's drilled for receiver sights, so I picked up a old redfield peep sight to try out. The hole is way to small for me to see through. I don't have a lot of experience with peeps. What size aperture opening would be a good compromise for target and deer hunting. I'm young so bi-focals or problems focusing isn't normally an issue.
I'm going to take the sight to work tomorrow and measure the opening, Might even take the one off my rolling block to compare.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks Email sent.
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Middle of the peep is the middle regardless of whether the hole is big or small. I favor as large an aperture as possible. Mostly I either have a ghost ring or a Williams with the aperture removed. I do have one twilight aperture with the brass band, but I drilled it out.
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Something like a 0.093 or 0.125 might work for both scenarios. Sounds like you may have something closer to 0.06 now which is more for target shooting. As already suggested, though, you should try removing the aperture and using it as a 'ghost ring' sight, see how that works for you. It won't be great for target shooting, but it would definitely work for hunting, especially up close or on moving targets where you would now be able to have a great field of view.
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I'm in the opposite camp from ghost rings. When I remove the aperture from a sight there is no ghost ring for me, rather a 'no ring". I prefer some definition to my aperture, otherwise accuracy goes out the window. Also, with my old eyes I depend on the light focusing characteristic of an aperture in order to have the front sight reasonably focused- I tend toward the smallest diameter I can get away with given available light.
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Something like a 0.093 or 0.125 might work for both scenarios. Sounds like you may have something closer to 0.06 now which is more for target shooting. As already suggested, though, you should try removing the aperture and using it as a 'ghost ring' sight, see how that works for you. It won't be great for target shooting, but it would definitely work for hunting, especially up close or on moving targets where you would now be able to have a great field of view. I generally drill out the standard Williams apertures with a 1/8" drill. That leaves enough meat in the aperture so you get the best of both worlds - a relatively wide aperture to allow enough light through but with a well defined outer ring.
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I have one of these twilight apertures I use on my 722 300 Savage. Take it out for near.... Gotta get that thing out, been too long! https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/sight-accessories/twilight-apertures-prod26077.aspx
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I'd just remove the aperture and call it a day. This is the way to go. Just focus on the front sight and your mind/eye will find center.
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A smaller hole sharpens up the image, provided you have enough light, but for hunting use I take the peep insert out and just use the hole it screws into as a ghost ring.
For target shooting I like a smaller peep, and prefer an insert which allows the peep size to be varied to suit the available light. You stop it down until the image gets dark, and then open it one stop, and that gives the sharpest image (best depth of field) for that amount of ambient light. The Merit version is good, and there are a couple of other options (I have also used Anschutz and Parker Hale). As I said though, these are for target shooting.
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I put a Marbles .102 in the tang sight on my Browning .44 Low Wall. I also replaced the bead with a Skinner blade, which appears much cleaner to my eyes. They're easy to cut to the correct height too as the steel is pretty mild, and a little touchup blue finishes it off.
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I use .125" (1/8") on most all of my rifle with peeps. Good compromise between sharp sight picture and quick easy hunting use. It's easy to buy a couple of different size apertures to try, ( Brownells) or if you are convinced you will never use your small target aperture as-is, just drill it out.
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I generally just take the aperture out.
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I have a Wittik Vaver on my 45 70 Rolling Block. It uses replaceable sight inserts in both the front and rear sights.
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I like the variable diopter available from Brownell's at one time. I don't know if it is available anymore. Rusty
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The Model 94 below has a Williams sight and the aperture measures .095". I've lugged that thing for many miles and shot a lot of deer/hogs with it and a couple or three varmints as well. Never had a problem making a shot in any circumstance short of dead dark of night which I have enough sense to not try. It worked well a few times on close in moving critters such as deer and hogs. Daylight at the range, 50 yards doing some load work years back:
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