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"I watched McCarthy live on TV...his own hearings showed what a POS he really was."

I watched it live too and McCarthy had evidence that proved that ALL the people he interviewed live on TV were actual Communists. The ones that were just suspects were interviewed in private and released.

Yes, I do know although I arrived in Los Angeles much later than the HUAA Committee hearings of the early 1950s. By the time I got there, the "blacklist" was mostly a thing of the past. There were several reasons it faded away. Probably the main reason the blacklist was broken was when Kirk Douglas agreed to star in Sparticus, which was written by Dalton Trumbo under a psuedonym. Douglas told the studio he'd only star in the movie if Trumbo's real name was listed in the movie's credits as "Written by Dalton Trumbo." The studio agreed as Douglas was very "hot" and they valued his box office appeal.

As I posted, I do not believe in blacklists or censorship but it was the studio heads who blacklisted the communists and communist sympathizers in Hollywood. But they had every Right to do what they did. Fortunately, that era passed.

BTW, you mentioned Sterling Hayden. If you want to read an interesting story, check into Hayden's carreer in the OSS during WW II.

FWIW.

L.W.

McCarthy wasn't looking for communists in Hollywood.

Some believe this caused S. H. to drink himself to death.

The studio heads had no right to blacklist innocent people.

The biggest difference is that McCarthy was right.

McCarthy proved nothing.


The Army proved that.

Only because the commies got him stopped. And now, here we are. Fighting commies again. Bow, I like a lot of the way you think, but you're pretty far off on this one.

McCarthy went on live TV and stopped himself. It soon came out about all the innocent lives he ruined.

FDR aligned with Stalin in WW2,...enabled the Bolsheviks to succeed,..and consequently unleashed Communism on the world.

The buzzards started coming to roost in America very shortly after. Now they run the show,...literally.

Turn on your TV and watch the show.

You wouldn't know a real Communist if he bit you in the ass.

I don't know if that caused Sterling Hayden to "drink himself to death," because he died of cancer. But ... Hollywood has always been full of booze hounds and dope heads. There has never been any shortage of Hollywoodites getting sloshed or loaded, notwithstanding the HUAA Committee.

Yes, the studio heads had the "right" to blacklist anyone they wanted. After all, they owned the studios and dictated whomever worked there, actors, writers, directors, etc., etc. They could hire or fire anyone they wanted at their leisure. Whether it was "morally" correct is another debate.

L.W.

lolol,....

After the Kavanaugh hearing, any leftist who wants to complain about unfair treatment can GF themselves.

Good read:

https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/15223-the-real-mccarthy-record

I found this part particularly interesting:

Communist infiltration of the State Department began in the 1930s. On September 2, 1939, former Communist Whittaker Chambers provided Assistant Secretary of State Adolph Berle with the names and Communist connections of two dozen spies in the government, including Alger Hiss. Berle took the information to President Roosevelt, but FDR laughed it off. Hiss moved rapidly up the State Department ladder and served as an advisor to Roosevelt at the disastrous Yalta Conference in 1945 that paved the way for the Soviet conquest of Central and Eastern Europe. Hiss also functioned as the secretary general of the founding meeting of the United Nations in San Francisco, helped to draft the UN Charter, and later filled dozens of positions at the UN with American Communists before he was publicly exposed as a Soviet spy by Whittaker Chambers in 1948.

So,..a Communist spy was an advisor to FDR in 1945.

About Alger Hiss:

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/venona/dece_hiss.html

In 1996, shortly after Hiss's death, a collection of Venona decrypts was declassified. One of the messages, dated March 30, 1945, refers to an American with the code name Ales. According to the message, Ales was a Soviet agent working in the State Department, who accompanied President Roosevelt to the 1945 Yalta Conference and then flew to Moscow, both of which Hiss did. The message goes on to indicate that Ales met with Andrei Vyshinsky, the Commissar for Foreign Affairs, and was commended for his aid to the Soviets. Analysts at the National Security Agency have gone on record asserting that Ales could only have been Alger Hiss.

Operation Mockingbird:

https://joejarvis.me/2013/02/04/operation-mockingbird-cias-propaganda-machine/

Contrary to statutory and legal limitations, once the network in authority in the CIA saw its interests threatened, Wisner was directed to unleash Mockingbird on McCarthy. Drew Pearson, Joe Alsop, Jack Anderson, Walter Lippmann and Ed Murrow all engaged in intensely negative coverage of McCarthy, whose political reputation was permanently damaged by the press coverage orchestrated by Wisner.

Glad somebody brought up this topic. I pretty much figured that McCarthy's reputation had been trashed by the Communists. But until now I didn't realize that it had been orchestrated by Operation Mockingbird.

It also explains why so much of the negative press towards Trump seems synchronized between so many media outlets.

Operation Mockingbird seems to be very much alive. It's the American propaganda machine. It's the "News".

The Democrats tried to do to Kavanaugh what McCarthy tried to do in his hearings.No due process of law.

The Alger Hiss story was before McCarthy and had nothing to do with McCarthy showing the whole world on TV what a POS he really was.

After his televised downfall McCarthy was censored by his own Senate and the SCOTUS has used "McCarthyism" to protect due process in several cases.