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i was hunting before i was 16 and needed a hunting license.
hunting on family land, for squirrels and rabbits.
once got a fox sneaking up on the henhouse.
does a hunting license allow for the expression of male aggressiveness?
or is there more to it than that? women hunt too, right?
so, organic game animals are a resource & food source.
we use to have quail (partridges) but they're mostly gone.
so, here we are on the internet, in endless discussions.
i use to own a concealed carry permit, but no more.
no, it wasn't rejected due to whatever. i just got tired of taxes.
if one qualifies (is a citizen??) for a pistol permit, should it cost?
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Oh Gus! Your premises are so wrong in so many ways.
For me, hunting is the exact opposite of aggressiveness. I'm trying to hunt, not out to fight anything.
Game animals are not unwitting proxies for my pent up anger.
The cost of a CC permit defrays the cost of processing and issuing the permit and maintaining the data as mandated by the state legislature. It isn't a tax. Yes, as long as the state mandates a CC license, then it should cost something to get one. That way you don't have to pay for my CC.
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Oh Gus! Your premises are so wrong in so many ways.
For me, hunting is the exact opposite of aggressiveness. I'm trying to hunt, not out to fight anything.
Game animals are not unwitting proxies for my pent up anger.
The cost of a CC permit defrays the cost of processing and issuing the permit and maintaining the data as mandated by the state legislature. It isn't a tax. Yes, as long as the state mandates a CC license, then it should cost something to get one. That way you don't have to pay for my CC. that's libertarian logic is so many ways, up down & sideways. the cost of a cc permit, why have the cost at all pray tell? because it's needed? by whom, exactly? the revenue goes to something or somebody, group or orgn. just eliminate the cost altoghether? i mean why not? costs, where do costs come from, and where does the revenue end up? who benefits, and who pays?
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To kill somethig in hunting is assertive, but I don't think it is per se aggressive. You may do it from any of a number of mindsets such as hunger, not necessarily aggression.
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Since I did not understand the question good friend Gus posted, I'll just answer this way.
It may be some primal urge to believe one could survive, or even thrive as a pioneer human. Hunting game, and catching fish. True many women also hint, and fish.
Some women like to believe they have basic skills such as sewing, quilting being a advanced sewing skill.
I stated that over simple, but I hope I got a point across.
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Gus, move to a constitutional carry state and forget the CC permit and taxes. we don't need one here but i maintain one to eliminate the check when buying a firearm.
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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In America game animals, whether residing on public or private land, are recognized as being held in public trust. A hunting license documents your ability to take & utilize that public resource for a private good.
Your premeses in the OP sound extraordinarily pomo/PC in nature.
Read up on the history of our natural resources model in the US. It’s as ingenious as our system of government, and we ought to be just as grateful for it and willing/able to defend it.
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how did concealed carry of guns get mixed in with hunting, or are we really talking about two different thingys?
what's wrong with hunting with a pistol?
it's become so complex & convoluted that my human mind can hardly keep up.
we always ate the game brought to the house...birds, squirrels, rabbits, and later on deer.
but what we're into now seems to be revenue sources for gov't?
taxes have been here for ages. so, taxes aren't an unknown item.
the question remains: who/which groups(s) benefit from tax revenues?
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i was hunting before i was 16 and needed a hunting license.
hunting on family land, for squirrels and rabbits.
once got a fox sneaking up on the henhouse.
does a hunting license allow for the expression of male aggressiveness?
or is there more to it than that? women hunt too, right?
so, organic game animals are a resource & food source.
we use to have quail (partridges) but they're mostly gone.
so, here we are on the internet, in endless discussions.
i use to own a concealed carry permit, but no more.
no, it wasn't rejected due to whatever. i just got tired of taxes.
if one qualifies (is a citizen??) for a pistol permit, should it cost? We all bear the responsibility of not maintaining our 2A and many other rights. It's not the governments fault either. We, corporately, allowed them to grow to be the bully over our rights. Hard to turn back that clock, but I am willing to do my part if others will also. Will you?
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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i was hunting before i was 16 and needed a hunting license.
hunting on family land, for squirrels and rabbits.
once got a fox sneaking up on the henhouse.
does a hunting license allow for the expression of male aggressiveness?
or is there more to it than that? women hunt too, right?
so, organic game animals are a resource & food source.
we use to have quail (partridges) but they're mostly gone.
so, here we are on the internet, in endless discussions.
i use to own a concealed carry permit, but no more.
no, it wasn't rejected due to whatever. i just got tired of taxes.
if one qualifies (is a citizen??) for a pistol permit, should it cost? Well, first we really need to examine your Fox and Henhouse story more closely, in order to determine if you were being completely fair to the Fox. And that will help answer some of the others. Male aggressiveness for example. lol
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Gus, now the question is just tax?
In the strictest sense, government exists to do what citizens can not do alone. National defense, police, fire protection, and such. Tax that pays for those things money fairly spent.
What was the question again?
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Gus, now the question is just tax?
In the strictest sense, government exists to do what citizens can not do alone. National defense, police, fire protection, and such. Tax that pays for those things money fairly spent.
What was the question again? In too many cases the government appears to think it also needs to do those things the citizens would never do. That's what gets my back up.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Don’t give the commies any ideas. They come up with enough BS to sling around.
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Gus, now the question is just tax?
In the strictest sense, government exists to do what citizens can not do alone. National defense, police, fire protection, and such. Tax that pays for those things money fairly spent.
What was the question again? ah, the question of taxes and how much tax is enough? but does anyone know for sure? seems like there's been taxes from at or even before the advent of this great country of ours. i hope we don't lose it over mindless bickering. seems like we've got into two streams of thought about taxes: one is income, realty (land), and sales taxes, plus special uses. special use taxes might be firearms permits, building permits, water permits, even fire districts. taxes have a life of their own. no dog for me, because i'm not paying a dog registration fee. (no cat fee either). it's a serious subject, it's gonna take a lot of talk before all is said & done?
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Oh Gus! Your premises are so wrong in so many ways.
For me, hunting is the exact opposite of aggressiveness. I'm trying to hunt, not out to fight anything.
Game animals are not unwitting proxies for my pent up anger.
The cost of a CC permit defrays the cost of processing and issuing the permit and maintaining the data as mandated by the state legislature. It isn't a tax. Yes, as long as the state mandates a CC license, then it should cost something to get one. That way you don't have to pay for my CC. Your premise is frayed If you don't keep records in the first place, which are not part of our Constitution, you don't need processing. And, therefore, have no processing cost.
Slaves get what they need. Free men get what they want. Rehabilitation is way overrated. Orwell wasn't wrong. GOA member disappointed NRA member 24HCF SEARCH
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We still got 4 canine teeth. So hunting will continue.
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We still got 4 canine teeth. So hunting will continue. and yes we do! and so do the cats & wolven. so we're not alone down here on earth.
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Gus, we hunt because it is our nature. We are predators. So are dogs. It's in their instinct to hunt, they don't try to rationalize it. Why should we? And hunting, rationally following our instincts, puts us in touch with nature and our place in the environment, much more than hugging trees.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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In America game animals, whether residing on public or private land, are recognized as being held in public trust. A hunting license documents your ability to take & utilize that public resource for a private good.
Your premeses in the OP sound extraordinarily pomo/PC in nature.
Read up on the history of our natural resources model in the US. It’s as ingenious as our system of government, and we ought to be just as grateful for it and willing/able to defend it. EXTREMELY well said. Thank you.
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Gus, we hunt because it is our nature. We are predators. So are dogs. It's in their instinct to hunt, they don't try to rationalize it. Why should we? And hunting, rationally following our instincts, puts us in touch with nature and our place in the environment, much more than hugging trees. yep, i think i agree with you. your opinion and perspective is right-on. it comes with the territory. hugging trees is just a lax version of hunting in my opinion. the gov't regulates who hunts and who doesn't. tax revenue is important to the system. in the system is where we live.
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