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Originally Posted by viking
I don’t think think I can shoot the 40 as good as some others.

My line of thinking would come from the old days. Like doing traffic stops, it goes bad and you have to take2-3 shots from the hip at nose hair distances. At an individual that’s wearing layers of Carhart artic wear, who weighs 250 pounds and is drunk and pissed. I just feel better having more punch.
I always feel better if the jokers put the whole fifth of Vodka IN the punch.

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I went to 255s for the same reason, takes care of the 124s........

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Originally Posted by SargeMO
I can put 230 grains on target with one pull of the trigger, making my 'split time' twice as fast as anybody shooting 115 grain 9mm.

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That's funny right there...


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Originally Posted by SargeMO
I can put 230 grains on target with one pull of the trigger, making my 'split time' twice as fast as anybody shooting 115 grain 9mm.

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LOL. Excellent point.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Hmmm?


My P226 40 with 200gr XTP's at 1041 fps is very comfortable, I do not feel the snap some talk about with it so loaded, feels like a 45 ACP to me.

Speaking of cartridge comparisons, and I took no pleasure in any of this, had to shoot a stray walker? hound here at the farm for livestock depredation, a 230gr gold dot at 966 fps entered the flank tight against the hip and exited neck vertebrae then rear side of the skull, I'm thankful it was without a twitch of suffering, anyway, I studied the wound channel, and path, with my hand spread as far as it will go, from tip of thumb to little finger is 10 inches, that bullet went near 27 inches and exited.

I don't know chit about 9mm vs 40 cal vs 45 acp vs 10mm vs 38 super etc, etc, I do know a 45 cal 230gr gold dot on hide, bone and muscle will get the chit wrecked out of it, also don't have any barrier experience with gold dots, but it completely wrecked that dog.


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I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.


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i have a 1st gen glock 22 bc i refuse to accept that the 90s are over



That had me rolling. That got me thinking, that’s maybe why my old 21 is my favorite.

my other two centerfire autos are a 92fs 9mm and a lightly pimped 1911 .45. all outclassed at this point, but dangit if they dont work well.

the large frame glocks are a little too big for my short fangers, hence the reason i picked up the 22 back in the day.


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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
My opinion of the 9 is that you have to hot load it to get top performance. With the 40, it pretty much comes loaded hot enough, as is. The 45 may be more problematic to hot load. All in all, not much difference in the top loads of all of them. For concealment, make mine 9. For concealment not mattering...40. If you have to use Ball, 45...though I don't think Ball ammo is that great in any caliber.

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Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
I don't understand why anybody would carry 147's in the 9, other than subsonic for supressed guns.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Hmmm?


My P226 40 with 200gr XTP's at 1041 fps is very comfortable, I do not feel the snap some talk about with it so loaded, feels like a 45 ACP to me.

Speaking of cartridge comparisons, and I took no pleasure in any of this, had to shoot a stray walker? hound here at the farm for livestock depredation, a 230gr gold dot at 966 fps entered the flank tight against the hip and exited neck vertebrae then rear side of the skull, I'm thankful it was without a twitch of suffering, anyway, I studied the wound channel, and path, with my hand spread as far as it will go, from tip of thumb to little finger is 10 inches, that bullet went near 27 inches and exited.

I don't know chit about 9mm vs 40 cal vs 45 acp vs 10mm vs 38 super etc, etc, I do know a 45 cal 230gr gold dot on hide, bone and muscle will get the chit wrecked out of it, also don't have any barrier experience with gold dots, but it completely wrecked that dog.

A Walker is a good dawg. Too bad you couldn't have caught him up for your own before he started running cows. When they start running cows they got to go to the Happy Hunting Grounds. RIP, but good shooting.

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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
I don't understand why anybody would carry 147's in the 9, other than subsonic for supressed guns.


EE, I picked up a box of Federal 147 fmjs to try in my Glock 35 with a 9mm conversion barrel. They seemed to shoot to the sights and grouped very well.

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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
I don't understand why anybody would carry 147's in the 9, other than subsonic for supressed guns.


Penetration and performance on barriers.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
I don't understand why anybody would carry 147's in the 9, other than subsonic for supressed guns.


Penetration and performance on barriers.



147 grain +P+ Gold Dot hits hard and make a big expanded bullet.



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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
I don't understand why anybody would carry 147's in the 9, other than subsonic for supressed guns.


Penetration and performance on barriers.


And excellent results on shutting bad guys down. The new age 147's aren't your daddy's 147.


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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.

I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
I don't understand why anybody would carry 147's in the 9, other than subsonic for supressed guns.


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Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
I can't imagine that anyone is going to outdo a 9 loaded with the right ammo when we're talking about cc/sd/duty for the whole package of speed, accuracy, stopping ability, etc. It's hard to argue with ALL the numbers. I guess Stick is right about bullets mattering more than headstamps.
I shoot all versions of hot-loaded 9 better than hot-loaded 40. But I'll carry a 40 10/10 times into the sticks, and will feel far more confident with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps than I do with 147's at the same speed.
I don't understand why anybody would carry 147's in the 9, other than subsonic for supressed guns.
Penetration and performance on barriers.

And excellent results on shutting bad guys down. The new age 147's aren't your daddy's 147.

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This has turned into a 6.5 Creedmoor vs 7mm-08 thread.

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I might get interested in the 9mm yet.

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I love that the .40 is in the process of lost favor.....makes for cheaper 40's in the used case. I have many .40 handguns and love them all and recently picked up a used Sig P229 for $375 that was German made with the short extractor with 3 mags, two grips, night sights and the plastic box and struggled to find any wear on the pistol. The LGS guy told me many of the pistols in their used case have seen less than 300-500 rounds.

If you handload you can warm up some rounds to mid 10mm levels or load down to bunny loads. Great caliber for woods carry and love the accuracy.

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