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It's not ball, it's 77 gr SMK or NCC's. I think mod 0 is Sierra, model 1 is Nosler but I can't remember.
All you ever wanted to know about the development of Mk 262. Nolsers never made to cut & have never been used in production product that I am aware of. MM Development of Mk 262 ammoMod 0 is the nosler bullet.. I posted this before, blackhills has a perpetual boner for Sierra. They took a trip Sierra and convinced them to put a cannelure on the 77gr bullet. Which lead to the mk262 mod1 load. As they say the rest is history. I just picked up 500, 77gr Sierra for $120 bucks. Yes, I did find a reference to MOD 0 being the Nosler bullet, not sure how much of it was ever produced. though. Yeah, $120 for 500 77gr SMK's is a fair price. MM All I can find on the world wide internet was it was several hundred thousand were made with the nosler. But for various contracts.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. Alright Hero, I haven't seen where all the scores are totaled up yet, not sure you've done it, but I certainly haven't, not one gotdamn HALF INCH ALL DAY LONG RIFLE , hell, I haven't seen a half inch gun ONE GD time either! ; ] Where do all those other guys get rifles like that????? I've added it up. There are 8 guys that have proven they have "moa all day long" rifles here and that they can shoot them as intended. There has also been right at 21,000 views of this thread, so the rest of the guys are watching, thinking do I want to try this or not???.. Mostly it's or not... Hey I'm trying to help I have rifles that are proving shooters. My lefty model 70 in a 270 winchester. But it's fun trying to do it with a model 70 in a 300RUM lol..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. Alright Hero, I haven't seen where all the scores are totaled up yet, not sure you've done it, but I certainly haven't, not one gotdamn HALF INCH ALL DAY LONG RIFLE , hell, I haven't seen a half inch gun ONE GD time either! ; ] Where do all those other guys get rifles like that????? I've added it up. There are 8 guys that have proven they have "moa all day long" rifles here and that they can shoot them as intended. There has also been right at 21,000 views of this thread, so the rest of the guys are watching, thinking do I want to try this or not???.. Mostly it's or not... Hey I'm trying to help I have rifles that are proving shooters. My lefty model 70 in a 270 winchester. But it's fun trying to do it with a model 70 in a 300RUM lol.. I'll bet its fun watching you too... Ha ha..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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It's not ball, it's 77 gr SMK or NCC's. I think mod 0 is Sierra, model 1 is Nosler but I can't remember.
All you ever wanted to know about the development of Mk 262. Nolsers never made to cut & have never been used in production product that I am aware of. MM Development of Mk 262 ammoMod 0 is the nosler bullet.. I posted this before, blackhills has a perpetual boner for Sierra. They took a trip Sierra and convinced them to put a cannelure on the 77gr bullet. Which lead to the mk262 mod1 load. As they say the rest is history. I just picked up 500, 77gr Sierra for $120 bucks. Yes, I did find a reference to MOD 0 being the Nosler bullet, not sure how much of it was ever produced. though. Yeah, $120 for 500 77gr SMK's is a fair price. MM Considering they sell for 16.99-18.99 for 50 I thought it was hell of a deal. Powder valley has them for $128 not counting shipping. So I did ok 😁
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. Alright Hero, I haven't seen where all the scores are totaled up yet, not sure you've done it, but I certainly haven't, not one gotdamn HALF INCH ALL DAY LONG RIFLE , hell, I haven't seen a half inch gun ONE GD time either! ; ] Where do all those other guys get rifles like that????? I've added it up. There are 8 guys that have proven they have "moa all day long" rifles here and that they can shoot them as intended. There has also been right at 21,000 views of this thread, so the rest of the guys are watching, thinking do I want to try this or not???.. Mostly it's or not... Hey I'm trying to help I have rifles that are proving shooters. My lefty model 70 in a 270 winchester. But it's fun trying to do it with a model 70 in a 300RUM lol.. I'll bet its fun watching you too... Ha ha.. Most would of stopped at 10 lol.. or 5..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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[quote=bsa1917hunter]You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. I've added it up. There are 8 guys that have proven they have "moa all day long" rifles here and that they can shoot them as intended. There has also been right at 21,000 views of this thread, so the rest of the guys are watching, thinking do I want to try this or not???.. Mostly it's or not... Hey I'm trying to help I have rifles that are proving shooters. My lefty model 70 in a 270 winchester. But it's fun trying to do it with a model 70 in a 300RUM lol.. I'll bet its fun watching you too... Ha ha.. Most would of stopped at 10 lol.. or 5.. Yep, I would have stopped at 3-5. You are a hell of a man. To be honest, I haven't fired my 338 since the last 5 shot group. I thought that day it was possessed by the devil, so I stopped shooting it.. I could have shot a baby spike elk with it last year though, but didn't pull the trigger..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Honestly, I do & have shot a lot of the 77 Noslers & I don't really see a significant difference in accuracy compared to the SMK & they are a lot cheaper at around $186 / 1,000. There's likely more variance with me pulling the trigger, day to day than there is between the bullets, but my guns are not finicky.........some others don't seem to like the Noslers in their guns as well.
I also like the 75 Hornady's & they are cheaper as well.
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You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. Alright Hero, I haven't seen where all the scores are totaled up yet, not sure you've done it, but I certainly haven't, not one gotdamn HALF INCH ALL DAY LONG RIFLE , hell, I haven't seen a half inch gun ONE GD time either! ; ] Where do all those other guys get rifles like that????? You have to remember only two things about rifles and accuracy: this is the 24hourcampfire and this is the internet. I don’t even try to worry about that mythical rifle that so many people have a dozen of or more. I bave come to the realization that everyone else’s guns shoot half inch groups, their trucks all get 24 miles to the gallon and their reloaders never screw up. Why is it that I always get the junk that shoots an inch and my truck gets 14 mpg?
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Honestly, I do & have shot a lot of the 77 Noslers & I don't really see a significant difference in accuracy compared to the SMK & they are a lot cheaper at around $186 / 1,000. There's likely more variance with me pulling the trigger, day to day than there is between the bullets, but my guns are not finicky.........some others don't seem to like the Noslers in their guns as well.
I also like the 75 Hornady's & they are cheaper as well.
MM You missed the deal week and half ago. 77gr nosler overrun after discount and free shipping $114 for 1,000 I jumped on that deal.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Why is it that I always get the junk that shoots an inch and my truck gets 14 mpg?
'Cause you haven't lived right & God is pissed off at you most likely................... MM
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You missed the deal week and half ago. 77gr nosler overrun after discount and free shipping $114 for 1,000 I jumped on that deal.
Damn the luck, that's a helluva deal alright. Where was that? MM
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You guys ever tire of those statements from some individuals on the internet like, "me and my wife can shoot consistent 1/4" 10 shot groups" with a factory rifle and factory ammo. You point them to this thread and their yap instantly slaps closed... I don't know about you guys, but it's cold here and snowing. Nothing better to do than work on an old washing machine that just took a crap and surf the web... At the least, you Cali guys can go and do some shooting for me, since I'm stuck at the house... Just a note on shooting. I did go to the range late yesterday, right before and during a snow storm. I had installed my new SWFA SS 16x and couldn't resist. That thing dialed in so perfectly it wasn't even funny. Shot my first 10 shot group and thought damn, I may have this in the bag. Then I proceded to shoot my Tikka, then my model 10 predator 223. Went down to the range and checked the targets, came back, shot the Tikka 5 more times to finish off that 10 shot group. By that time it was snowing hard. I forgot to bring my walking stick, so I could see the target, so I gave it my best shot with the Savage. You guys would be laughing at that group. I'll post it if you want. I was so disgusted, I packed everything up and didn't even try to shoot the Tikka and predator again. Got home, threw the rifles in the shop on the floor and came in and had a drink.... I love the snow, but it does nothing to improve the group size, when you can't see the target. From what little i saw yesterday, the Savage rifle is still shooting great after the fall and the new scope is working great. I'll test the tracking out when I can go and shoot some steel. Alright Hero, I haven't seen where all the scores are totaled up yet, not sure you've done it, but I certainly haven't, not one gotdamn HALF INCH ALL DAY LONG RIFLE , hell, I haven't seen a half inch gun ONE GD time either! ; ] Where do all those other guys get rifles like that????? You have to remember only two things about rifles and accuracy: this is the 24hourcampfire and this is the internet. I don’t even try to worry about that mythical rifle that so many people have a dozen of or more. I bave come to the realization that everyone else’s guns shoot half inch groups, their trucks all get 24 miles to the gallon and their reloaders never screw up. Why is it that I always get the junk that shoots an inch and my truck gets 14 mpg? Great point! I was talking to a couple guys today at the gunshow. About shooting service rifle. They said guys show up,talking about how they shoot caribou, moose 600-700 yds out. But when they shoot out too 600yds during service rifle they can't even hit the target. .
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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You missed the deal week and half ago. 77gr nosler overrun after discount and free shipping $114 for 1,000 I jumped on that deal.
Damn the luck, that's a helluva deal alright. Where was that? MM Shooters pro shop.. they were on sale for $134 they are back to $169 for 1000
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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That's not a place I usually watch so I'll have to put 'em on the list.........thanks.
I've got plenty for now, but I'm also in the middle of winter loading time too, so I'll need to re-stock pretty soon.
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Oops, I saw where it said "ball" on the box. So, it's 77gr. SMK. That is MUCH better than the 55gr ball ammo I thought it was... Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out...
Now, that is so much different in fact that If I tried that with my 73gr eldm load in my Norththech defense, I'd be making 1 1" hole in the paper and totally wasting 90 bullets...
Any ball ammo- M193, M855, M855A1, etc. is 6 to 7 inch ammo, for 100 rounds. 10 round groups will average 4-5 MOA, 30 round groups 5-7 moa. The LMT was shot on an acoustic target through a chrono so every shot could be logged. MK262 Mod 1 ammo is generally around 1.2-1.6 MOA for 10 round groups out of test barrels. This lot has been historically “bad” at around 1.5-2.0 MOA. The first two 10 round groups were 1.23 inch and 1.24 inch. The 30 shot group was 1.31 inches. It is a stellar barrel overall, and quite possibly the most consistent and stable hard us barrel I’ve ever seen.
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Good info Formi. Can you share velocity data for AVG, SD, and ES?
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For the 5x5 groups-
Average velocity- 2,633fps.
ES- 89 FPS
SD- 21.4 FPS
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Oops, I saw where it said "ball" on the box. So, it's 77gr. SMK. That is MUCH better than the 55gr ball ammo I thought it was... Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out...
Now, that is so much different in fact that If I tried that with my 73gr eldm load in my Norththech defense, I'd be making 1 1" hole in the paper and totally wasting 90 bullets...
Any ball ammo- M193, M855, M855A1, etc. is 6 to 7 inch ammo, for 100 rounds. 10 round groups will average 4-5 MOA, 30 round groups 5-7 moa. The LMT was shot on an acoustic target through a chrono so every shot could be logged. MK262 Mod 1 ammo is generally around 1.2-1.6 MOA for 10 round groups out of test barrels. This lot has been historically “bad” at around 1.5-2.0 MOA. The first two 10 round groups were 1.23 inch and 1.24 inch. The 30 shot group was 1.31 inches. It is a stellar barrel overall, and quite possibly the most consistent and stable hard us barrel I’ve ever seen. Cool info formid. Thanks for sharing.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Thanks Formi. I appreciate the info.
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For the 5x5 groups-
Average velocity- 2,633fps.
ES- 89 FPS
SD- 21.4 FPS That's pretty good!
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