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Travis is the only LEO that can be counted on to condemn bad cops on one of these threads.

I wonder where all the “ play stupid games, win stupid prizes “ commenters are. How about those members who assure us repeatedly that if we just obey the law we have nothing to fear from the police.?

Some phony sons of bitches around this fire.



Did Travis start this thread? wink

I think there's more good ones around than you know.


Didn’t figure you to be a cop. I thought you were a surveyor, or rancher.


Wow I kinda thought that was common knowledge. BUT when you have a chip on your shoulder from run ins with the law I guess its somewhat understandable.


Jeff...why don’t you tell all of us what you know about me and how you came by that knowledge?

Then do the same thing with Barry.

Then explain what relevance it has to what the HPD did?


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Some of us saw this comming:

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No knock warrant, "police" in plain cloths, and come in shooting, and they wonder why someone shot back??

Pretty much every member here would of returned fire.



The cops set themselves up for failure. Their actions are not SOP in professional LE. NoKnock warrents should be a rare thing and usually served after extensive surveillance.


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Unless the "warrant" is actually a hit.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Acevedo’s have a bad rep down there? Crooked family?


He had to blow a bad guy in one episode of The Shield.



LMFAO!! I saw that one... grin

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Wow..!!

Two self-appointed mental giants arguing about who lives in the bigger chithole. Can it get any better?


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Originally Posted by BayouRover
Wow..!!

Two self-appointed mental giants arguing about who lives in the bigger chithole. Can it get any better?


Now that you have joined the conversation I expect we will find out.


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Originally Posted by chlinstructor
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Chief needs firing ASAP. If he has been I missed it.

It amazes me how far behind some huge departments can be in this country and the levels of fugk ups that have to occur before it's brought to the surface.

This and Broward come immediately to mind.


Two flagrant examples.

Both liberal controlled local govt.


^^^This^^^

Houston is a Liberal run schitt hole. They need a good purge from the Mayor on down!




Never happen, bro. It's no wonder you can buy a house cheap there.


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
Originally Posted by BayouRover
Wow..!!

Two self-appointed mental giants arguing about who lives in the bigger chithole. Can it get any better?


Now that you have joined the conversation I expect we will find out.


Directly from the mouth of the dude who thinks he's the forum ultimate brain child........... TFF laugh


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Evidently were targeted by the guy that was in charge of the operation.

He lied about buying drugs from the couple. Story says he'll likely face charges...

"Likely face charges"? BS He needs to be charged with Capital Murder. mad

Also, they need to hand this investigation over to Texas Rangers. A department "internal investigation" just doesn't cut it.

They also need to do something with that azzwhole that went on TV calling the couple that were killed "Scumbags".

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HPD Chief Acevedo says narcotics cop committed likely crime by lying in affidavit for deadly raid



An internal Houston police investigation has uncovered alarming deficiencies in the department's narcotics division that led to an allegedly falsified search warrant used to justify a southeast Houston drug raid last month that killed two Pecan Park residents and injured five officers, according to documents obtained Friday by the Houston Chronicle.

In a hastily called press conference, Police Chief Art Acevedo said Gerald Goines, the veteran narcotics case agent at the center of the controversy, will likely face criminal charges. The internal investigation revealed he allegedly lied about using a confidential informant to conduct an undercover buy at the residence on Harding Street. The buy led to a raid and a fatal gunfight at the house the next day, killing Dennis Tuttle, 59, and Rhogena Nicholas, 58, and injuring five Houston Police Department officers.The debacle, which has infuriated officers across the department and which critics say has damaged public trust in HPD, and infuriated members of the department's rank-and-file, also prompted Acevedo to order an "extensive audit" of the 175-member narcotics division and an examination of Goines' recent cases.

"We know that there's already a crime that's been committed," Acevedo said. "It's a serious crime when we prepare a document to go into somebody's home, into the sanctity that is somebody's home. It has to be truthful, it has to be honest, it has to be factual. We know already there's a crime that's been committed. There's high probability there will be a criminal charge."

Houston Police Officers' Union President Joe Gamaldi said that while he was "extremely concerned and disturbed" by the allegations that came to light Friday, they were "not indicative" of the performance of the rest of the department's 5,200 officers. He pledged to back any reforms needed to avoid similar misconduct in the future.

"We certainly feel this is an isolated incident," he said. "However, we will certainly support any review or changes to policy that need to be made in order to ensure that something like this never happens again."

The critical allegations were outlined in a sworn affidavit written by HPD Officer R. Bass, with the department's Special Investigations Unit, who asked a judge for a search warrant to examine the cell phone of officer Steven Bryant, an undercover narcotics officer relieved of duty after the shooting.

The Chronicle normally does not publish the names of undercover officers, but Goines and Bryant were identified in an affidavit related to a search warrant and both have been relieved of duty by Acevedo.

In the initial HPD warrant, Goines wrote that he monitored a buy at the home by a confidential informant, who identified the substance that was purchased as heroin and said there was a 9mm handgun in the house. Police obtained a no-knock warrant —allowing them to enter unannounced — and burst into the small southeast home the next day to a hail of gunfire.

At the end of the shootout, both Tuttle and Nicholas had been shot to death, and five officers were injured — four by gunfire. Police found 18 grams of marijuana — about half an ounce — and a little more than a gram of white powder, but no heroin or trafficking paraphernalia. After the fatal operation, neighbors pushed back on assertions by police the residence was a drug house.

HPD investigators have not been unable to locate the confidential informants who Goines claimed — in two separate interviews — made the undercover purchases at the Pecan Park home, according to Bass' affidavit.

When detectives talked to the informants, both said they'd worked for Goines but never purchased drugs at the 7815 Harding home where Tuttle and Nicholas were killed. Investigators then got a full list of Goines' confidential informants, and they all denied making a buy at the Tuttle house or ever purchasing narcotics from Nicholas or Tuttle.

Bryant told investigators he had retrieved two bags of heroin from the center console of Goines' police car at the instruction of another officer. That was not consistent with the affidavit used to obtain the warrant for the Jan. 28 raid, which said Bryant identified heroin brought out of the house. Though he took the two bags of drugs for testing to determine that they were heroin, Bryant eventually said he had never seen the narcotics in question before retrieving them from the car.

Investigators are reviewing Goines' past cases, Acevedo said, adding that he's assigned Assistant Chief Pedro Lopez to take a broader look "to make sure that we're not being myopic, that we look at our entire narcotics operation out there, in terms of the street level units, and they'll be conducting a very extensive audit."

The allegations of false information used to conduct a raid that led to the death of two residents and left five officers injured further stunned and angered residents. It marked one of most significant cases of police misconduct within the narcotics division in decades.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-...ting-affidavit-confidential-13620120.php






Normally I agree with the vast majority of what RockingBbar posts, but here we kind of diverge a bit. Sort of...


No doubt about it. This stinks.

But I disagree about letting HPD and/or the Texas Rangers investigate this.

I will post this disclaimer though, as I have not read the thread and I am sure the typical haters will be here stating that all cops are dirty and we dot need them etc (curdog etc).

If It were up to me, on major incidents like this where citizens have lost their lives (even schitbirds, because I have no doubt that no matter how people try to paint it these two were not fine upstanding citizens) that the investigation needs to get farmed out to a distant agency.

As an example, in this case, it should go to the Montana Department of Justice (or whatever state agency would investigate such crimes in Montana. Or North Dakota, etc. That way there is very little chance of nepotism or bias. Within the T. Rangers there may be a chance of such things and in the interest of truly blind justice and an appropriate investigation, these things should be handled by a professional agency from a distant region.

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Mackay, the Texas Rangers are indeed used many times here to conduct an investigation where no bias can be brought up at a later date.

Most agencies refer to them because of that. From past experience with them, they sure don't mind calling a spade a spade.

Much, much better than an in house HPD investigation where questions of coverup already exist. HPD shoudn't be investigating themselves under any circumstances in this. I'd trust the FBI even less.


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Yeah I completely agree about in house HPD.

The sad part is FBI, as I know some FBI guys personally and as individuals they are totally stand up men whom I would trust with my life and the lives of my children. Unfortunately their leadership and some individuals have completely ruined what once was a good outfit. Truly a shame but you have to call it for what it is.

There is not a thing wrong with the Rangers, and the only reason I mention not using them is that (as you know) people often move up the food chain of LE, and in the state of TX that Rangers may be considered the top of the heap, so some of them may have started there or have friends within HPD.

If the investigation that involves deaths of citizens is sent outside the state the public is likely to have more faith in the honesty and integrity of the investigation as a whole.

When integrity is on the line, they sure as heck should not have HPD involved in any way, shape or form.


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This thread is now 9 pages long, so rather then go through all posts I will simply attach a link here with the most resent info I have found.

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Cops will not uphold their oath for the most part, and probably 98% will turn a blind eye when they know corruption is on-going within their own departments or any department they "cooperate" with at any time.

That's neither "anti-cop" nor "pro cop". That's simply a statement of fact. It's like saying "poison gas is dangerous". It's a factual statement.
Getting the paycheck is ALWAYS more important then up-holding their oath for at least 98% of them at every level, and the higher those levels go the larger their paychecks get, so of course the higher-ups have more to loose by not going along with the corruption.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6Lyeeq17fY

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The Texas Rangers are trusted in Texas...except by some other cops, I figure from jealously.They are invited to investigate a lot of allegations of wrongdoing by local Police Departments. They turn down many requests and when they do agree to investigate particular incidents, they generally use the local Department’s Policy Manual as the rule book. Most accusations of excessive force wind up being dismissed because the Plicy Manual leaves so much up to the discretion of the individual cop.So...unless there is someone killed, they usually refuse the invitation.

Its doubtful they have the manpower to conduct an investigation of even just the Narcotics Division of the HPD, much less the whole Department. There are almost as many Narcotics Officers in HPD as there are Rangers. Rangers most often come through the ranks of Tx DPS, not local PDs.

I’d be satisfied with the FBI investigating this as a Civil Rights violation and I expect it would satisfy most Texans. The HPD Chief is from California so an out of state Agency would not set well at all with most folks.


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You can disclaim all you want, but in Campfire parlance, you ARE a cop hater.


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You ain’t a damn bit better than the HPD Union goon. You “ have no doubt” that the two people killed were dirtbags, despite there being zero evidence of it and much evidence to the contrary.

If anyone wonders why I dislike cops, as a profession, I can use you as my poster boy.


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
You ain’t a damn bit better than the HPD Union goon. You “ have no doubt” that the two people killed were dirtbags, despite there being zero evidence of it and much evidence to the contrary.

If anyone wonders why I dislike cops, as a profession, I can use you as my poster boy.


My thoughts exactly. This is exactly why the cops get a bad reputation, because other cops will excuse criminal behavior simply because the crime was perpetrated by another cop. The cops cry and demand sympathy because people “paint with a broad brush” when referring to the cops but the cops obviously paint with an even broader brush when they look at “civilians”. The 2 victims and their dog were murdered by the lying cock sucking cops and the murderers are defended by other cops, simply because they’re cops.

Hypocrisy at its worst and a pathetic attempt to excuse the inexcusable by the resident cop apologists dos no favors to the good cops out there. So many cops are just too ignorant or self absorbed with their power to understand that their actions undermine the very trust they’re trying to earn.


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So many cops are just too ignorant or self absorbed with their power to understand that their actions undermine the very trust they’re trying to earn.


Yeah... no. The problem with today's militarized police culture is that they don't have a sense of needing to earn trust. They expect it, they demand it, they would coerce it if it were possible.

The concept of earning trust is political, and does not fit in the current adversarial policing model.


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Whoo, curdog, asses he eats and szzzzhiiin are in agreement. That may lead thinking people to acquire an opposing tack.

It is moronic to believe that any area of human endeavor is free of venality. Perhaps equal to saying that all members of a group are identical.

Morons, dopers and alkies are incapable of rational thought but the internet gives all equal voice. Welcome to a cop thread on the campfire.


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Nobody with a functional brain will award ANY credibility to your assessment of the character of the couple murdered by the Houston cops.

But..... Everyone reading your post damn sure learned a lot about YOU.


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Originally Posted by curdog4570
Nobody with a functional brain will award ANY credibility to your assessment of the character of the couple murdered by the Houston cops.

But..... Everyone reading your post damn sure learned a lot about YOU.



A functional brain is an asset. My post made no mention of the character of the slain couple or alluded to it in any way. My life is an open book, tell us yet again of how many times you have been arrested. Your hatred of cops, which borders on the pathological, has been on display here for many years.

A vast majority of citizens go a lifetime w/out a negative interaction w/ LE. YMMV.



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