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FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
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Good speeds, how close were the actuals to the advertised?
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Winchester advertises 1,250 fps from a 4" barrel per their website.
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That's even better, always nice to see something exceed expectations.
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FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
From what I have read the sights dont have anything to do with velocities. From my understanding.
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FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
From what I have read the sights dont have anything to do with velocities. From my understanding. Well which is it? What you read?....or what you understand?
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FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
From what I have read the sights dont have anything to do with velocities. From my understanding. Well which is it? What you read?....or what you understand? I understand the type of sights one has on their handgun will not affect velocity. Am I wrong on that?
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I understand the type of sights one has on their handgun will not affect velocity. Am I wrong on that?
You're still not sure. Brilliant.
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FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
Good info, thanks for sharing. That's nice when ammo meets advertised velocity.
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You're still not sure. Brilliant. FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
From what I have read the sights dont have anything to do with velocities. From my understanding. Well which is it? What you read?....or what you understand? I understand the type of sights one has on their handgun will not affect velocity. Am I wrong on that? You're still not sure. Brilliant. Not really. I had an uncle that has long since succumbed due to death that had a friend that had a had a brother that had a grand dad that had a daughter that lived several states away that worked in the town brothel that started that piece of information. So I have just adopted the information too. That is where I got it. Any truth to it?
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FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
Thank you for posting this info.
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Not really. I had an uncle that has long since succumbed due to death that had a friend that had a had a brother that had a grand dad that had a daughter that lived several states away that worked in the town brothel that started that piece of information. So I have just adopted the information too. That is where I got it. Any truth to it?
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Not really. I had an uncle that has long since succumbed due to death that had a friend that had a had a brother that had a grand dad that had a daughter that lived several states away that worked in the town brothel that started that piece of information. So I have just adopted the information too. That is where I got it. Any truth to it? [/quote
Go hang a pork chop around your neck.....maybe the dog will play with you.
Would a Fillet Mignon do?
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Glockdoofus,
Your posts in this thread have been disrespectful. I'm sure you don't care, but it needed to be said. I hope that the rest of your day goes better.
Winchestermodel70,
Thank you for posting real-world velocities, obtained from pistols that are stock--except for the mods that don't affect the velocities. I appreciate you taking the time.
Carry on.
Wade
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FWIW, found my way to the range this past Monday morning with two (2) Glocks, a chronograph and a box of recent production Winchester Ranger RA9TA 9mm 127 grain +P+. Results follow (5 shot average):
1. Glock 19 gen4; Average velocity 1,260 fps.
2. Glock 17 gen3; Average velocity 1,278 fps.
Both pistols were box stock, except that each had Trijicon HD night sights installed.
Both fed, fired and ejected with no issues.
Not bad and certainly on par with some watered-down 357 ammo we were seeing a few years ago. I am impressed.
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Those velocities must be close behind the 357 sig
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Closer to 38 super on the light side.
My sigs 4 inch run around 1400 for that weight.
most 9s are hampered with magazine seating depth. Using a good barrel in 1911, 38 super mags and possibly a throat reamer from Brownells, and a COL the same as a super, mosts 9s will make super.
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Closer to 38 super on the light side.
My sigs 4 inch run around 1400 for that weight.
most 9s are hampered with magazine seating depth. Using a good barrel in 1911, 38 super mags and possibly a throat reamer from Brownells, and a COL the same as a super, mosts 9s will make super. I would just get a 10MM and be done with it. KISS principal Ive been told about. How would it compare to a 1911 in 10MM. Would it be as powerful?
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Closer to 38 super on the light side.
My sigs 4 inch run around 1400 for that weight.
most 9s are hampered with magazine seating depth. Using a good barrel in 1911, 38 super mags and possibly a throat reamer from Brownells, and a COL the same as a super, mosts 9s will make super. I would just get a 10MM and be done with it. KISS principal Ive been told about. How would it compare to a 1911 in 10MM. Would it be as powerful? I heard that a 10mm is 1mm larger and isn’t a 9mm. Am I right.
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