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I have a Savage F-TR .308 In fact it shoots the Lapua 4PL7073 / Varget hand loads as well as dozens of people said it would shoot. That said, I ran across a thread where the topic was best .308 bullet. The Scenar was well supported as a great deer bullet So, If the object is head shooting at 800 yards that seems to add up. I admit to have shooting two deer at close range in the head. My Alaska years were spent with most people head shooting not just the deer but moose as well.
I never liked the ethics or just the way a head shot deer looks. To me it is disrespectful. On the other hand I will not take a body shot on a squirrel. So is the Scenar a deer bullet because it will expand? What is the lowest velocity that expansion is most likely?
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Yep, Pat's portfolio of deceased critters clears any doubts about Scenars being good game bullets. Just don't go too light, too fast. A 90 gr. Scenar at warp speed out of a .240 can make a mess at the skinning shed. And, that's not hearsay... Once was enough. But heavier bullets at sane velocities work well. I've read that the Scenar is sorta like the Hunting VLD, just doesn't break up quite as bad and into bigger pieces. I've observed more exits with Scenars, than VLD's. That's my current understanding: it's my story and I'm sticking to it.... I like both, but I think you gotta match bullet design with velocity for optimal results. DF
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That was not the tread...this is much better! Great read. I have taken 20 plus deer with 150TSX bullets but 400 yards is as far as I can trust them to expand. The Scenar may add another 200 yards. Kansas Winter wheat fields.
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139 scenar in the 2800-2900 FPS launch range is a deadly combo....
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139 scenar in the 2800-2900 FPS launch range is a deadly combo.... +1 No doubt. DF
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155’s at 3200fps from my 300 wsm have killed a lot of animals and 1 per customer. It’s about the only bullet I even shoot in it anymore.
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From what I hear the Scenar is pretty hard and tends to rifle right through game without opening up much if any at all. Perhaps some one who has actually used them on game will chime in. I admit it would be kinda cool if they worked ok on game.
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From what I hear the Scenar is pretty hard and tends to rifle right through game without opening up much if any at all. Perhaps some one who has actually used them on game will chime in. I admit it would be kinda cool if they worked ok on game.
You are new here, so go look up the scenar thread about all the game killed with em. It will show a lot of really good hunters, and the game killed with it. I have shot wolves, big mule deer, and elk with the 155 scenar, and they are they are very effective in game.
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I'm not impressed with their game performance. Do they kill ? Yes. Do they expand violently on contact and then penetrate well ? No, and yes. So, if you need a very accurate bullet for long ranges, and you can place your shots well, I'm sure they are fine. But if you shoot running animals as I have to do, you are better off with a fast opening bullet that will hold together and penetrate. Nobody I've seen or talked to can place running shots as they should be 100% of the time. E
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No deer, but one 120lb pig at around 100 yards, bullet left 16" 7.62 REPR at 2650 fps, the exit hole in the pig ribs would make a nice 20 ounce pop bottle coozie.
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They are farrrrrrrrrr more predictable than an NPT.
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Could Oremi and Oheremicus be the same poster?
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Worked perfectly here:
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Could Oremi and Oheremicus be the same poster? Some folks ACTUALLY shoot...others talk about it. It ain't ever been tough to cypher,who do and who don't. Hint.................
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Not deer, but I dropped this cow at 615 yards this last December with my 20" barreled Tikka T3 using a 155 Scenar. Single shot through the front shoulder.
THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running!www.lostriverammocompany.com
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My daughter Scenar'ed this cow at 375 yards with her 20" .308: A single shot right behind the shoulder. To make a long story short, they shoot small groups at extended ranges and kill things dead, in my experience.
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My daughter Scenar'ed this cow at 375 yards with her 20" .308: A single shot right behind the shoulder. To make a long story short, they shoot small groups at extended ranges and kill things dead, in my experience. Looks like the kiddo is doing good, Mac. Outstanding!
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Love that pic. My daughter Scenar'ed this cow at 375 yards with her 20" .308: A single shot right behind the shoulder. To make a long story short, they shoot small groups at extended ranges and kill things dead, in my experience.
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I’ve shot 155s through everything from mule deer to grizzly bears and they always worked. Love that bullet.
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