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#13644449 - 03/10/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: memtb]  
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Ok I have some beginner questions too. My problem with going to Africa is that of course I don't have any experience with the animals. Say we see a kudu. Is it a big one or a small one? I know the outfitter will be the judge but that leaves me with little satisfaction, as compared to shooting a 6 point or a 12 point whitetail, or a big 6x6 elk. I could look at lots of pictures and familiarize myself with judging the animals I would like. Or tell me how you guys received the satisfaction, if you know what I mean??

Also, memtb touched on exchange rate?? I know nothing about the currency there. Is American money worth more or less? Do the PH's require payment in American money as many Canadian outfitters do, which I think is a bunch of BS. They make money on the exchange.

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#13644607 - 03/10/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: memtb]  
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marko, you're getting worked up over a bunch of nothing (no offense). Having never been there, of course you'd have some questions though. You have to trust your PH when getting the go ahead for a shot, especially with hunters who have never laid eyes on the animals before. You just have to trust them. I've got little elk hunting experience, but have been a handful of times. I would personally put a big kudu bull hunt right up there at least equal to the elk hunt. As a matter of fact I find it rather addicting. Hunting Africa is special, particularly Namibia of the places I've been.

As far as the exchange rate goes, it's somewhere around 15:1 USD. One of the last time I went to Nambia with Kowas, I killed 10 plains game culls, a big kudu bull, and a mountain zebra. I paid around $6k for that hunt, which is far less than the cost of a trophy elk hunt, mule deer hunt, or even whitetail hunt in many places. In light of that fact I could give a ratsazzz if the PH makes a little $$$ on the exchange rate.


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Originally Posted by colorado bob




One word of caution------Africa gets into your blood. You'll be flying home & you'll be planning your next trip back. I'm going for my 3rd time & plan to hunt with Bossie.



Not necessarily true- I went this past July and I have zero desire to return to the $ hithole continent called Africa. I had a great time while actually hunting, the rest, not so much.


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#13644656 - 03/10/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: memtb]  
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Funny how everybody is different on this. I had zero desire to go for the first 50 years of my life, then I went, now I'd love to go back every year, even if it were only plains game hunting. Nothing comes close to the sheer amount of game over there. Yes, there were some things that I didn't like, but the SA and Namibian people I was around were A+ folks. Wouldn't care if I ever saw J'burg again though.


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#13644703 - 03/10/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: JGRaider]  
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Originally Posted by JGRaider
marko, you're getting worked up over a bunch of nothing (no offense). Having never been there, of course you'd have some questions though. You have to trust your PH when getting the go ahead for a shot, especially with hunters who have never laid eyes on the animals before. You just have to trust them. I've got little elk hunting experience, but have been a handful of times. I would personally put a big kudu bull hunt right up there at least equal to the elk hunt. As a matter of fact I find it rather addicting. Hunting Africa is special, particularly Namibia of the places I've been.

As far as the exchange rate goes, it's somewhere around 15:1 USD. One of the last time I went to Nambia with Kowas, I killed 10 plains game culls, a big kudu bull, and a mountain zebra. I paid around $6k for that hunt, which is far less than the cost of a trophy elk hunt, mule deer hunt, or even whitetail hunt in many places. In light of that fact I could give a ratsazzz if the PH makes a little $$$ on the exchange rate.


Thanks JGRaider. Yea I do get a little worked up once in a while!! I have quite a few buddies that have been to Africa and they all enjoy it immensely. I need to take the plunge, and I will one of these days.


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#13644771 - 03/10/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: dennisinaz]  
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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Originally Posted by colorado bob




One word of caution------Africa gets into your blood. You'll be flying home & you'll be planning your next trip back. I'm going for my 3rd time & plan to hunt with Bossie.



Not necessarily true- I went this past July and I have zero desire to return to the $ hithole continent called Africa. I had a great time while actually hunting, the rest, not so much.

Wow.
Very surprising to hear.
What happened?
Did you get mugged or something?

I went for the first time in May of '17 to RSA for 2 weeks and had a great time.
The biggest surprise for me was I had as much or more enjoyment in the tourist stuff as the hunting.

The hunting was an incredible value (took over 30 animals cull hunting and a decent kudu) and the private park game rides were outstanding and the in town events were great.
We started planning a return within a couple months of leaving.

Doing a week of hunting in Namibia and 10 days of not hunting activities in Vic Falls and the Okavango in May.
Can't wait.


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#13644996 - 03/10/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: memtb]  
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Originally Posted by memtb
Thinking of a Safari. Plains game for wife and I both hunting, approximately 10 day hunt. With political climate and best affordable Safari in mind.....which countries and PH’s do you recommend? Thanks in advance for advice and comments ( at least the constructive ones) wink ! memtb


memtb, That’s great news! I’m happy for you both. Add a couple of 375 H&H rifles for you and the wife for no other reason than because you can, and a safari hunt is a good excuse to buy something new...You’re 338 Wins will be just the right porridge.
But, I would still want to look at new shoot’n irons as apart of the build up to going....😎


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#13646301 - 03/11/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: memtb]  
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I'll recommend Hotfire Safaris. The Outfitter is the PH. One group at a time, no interference from other guests who might like to party more than hunt. PH is an amateur naturalist. Not many questions he can't answer, great tour guide also. Outfitter can arrange about anything you want to do.

For Marko who is concerned about knowing what is a big critter. Read all the articles and books you can lay your hands on. Look at mounts in friend's homes etc. Big looks big and takes little time to get accustomed to. You have to understand that some species look the same, but due to differences in location or sub-species, there can be size variations. Probably the most common is the Southern Greater Kudu and the Eastern Cape Kudu. There can be 5-10 inches in length with the SGK being bigger. The first day I was there, I had already see lots of impala in the national park and on the farm. Then we spotted a group of males and one clearly dwarfed the others. Big looks big. A good outfitter will not allow immature animals to be taken, their reputation rides on obtaining mature, quality animals for their clients. I never once felt pressured to shoot something. If anything, I would have shot a couple of critters, but the PH said that they weren't mature, we can do better.

Americans are the world's biggest pool of international hunters, almost all outfitters bill in USD. I appreciate those that bill me in Canadian pesos smile . Right now the exchange rate is 1CAD/9.5Rand. USD rate would be 30% better than the CAD.

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#13646582 - 03/11/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: memtb]  
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My brother and I just booked our first safari, we decided to go with Tholo Safaris in Botswana. I have only found positive reviews with that hunting outfit. It can be pretty nerve racking making the choice with all the info available.
I ended up going to the DSC this year so I can ask questions and meet the people I would be hunting with. Best of luck making your decision, and good luck with your first safari.

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If I were doing my first trip again and it was strictly plainsgame, I would look at Omunjeve Safaris in Namibia or Tholo Safaris in Botswana as the previous poster recommended.

And a +100 for using Gracy (or somebody like Steve Turner) to do your travel arrangements and gun permits.

It isn't that expensive and it makes it so much less hassle and greatly reduces the stress and after a long plane ride to Africa, the last thing you want to deal with is additional stress.

I've been there 7 times and use a travel agency EVERY time. Never use one for non-hunting trips though.

Just my opinion.

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Hunted with Tholo in Botswana last Sept. it was my first plains game in 8 years but my 15th Safari. Had a great time and highly recommend them. Good folks.

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Originally Posted by wageslave
Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Originally Posted by colorado bob




One word of caution------Africa gets into your blood. You'll be flying home & you'll be planning your next trip back. I'm going for my 3rd time & plan to hunt with Bossie.



Not necessarily true- I went this past July and I have zero desire to return to the $ hithole continent called Africa. I had a great time while actually hunting, the rest, not so much.

Wow.
Very surprising to hear.
What happened?
Did you get mugged or something?


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I didn't like being yelled at and taunted in the airport in J'berg because I was toting a guncase and obviously a sportsman, I didn't like being treated like chit by the blacks at customs and airport security who treated the other blacks much differently, I didn't like having bug poison sprayed all over me every time I got in an airplane. I didn't like having to keep the doors locked and windows rolled up when we drove through town so we wouldn't get hi jacked. I didn't like having to pay/bribe someone for almost everything that you needed to do. I didn't like the high fences that were around every property I saw in Namibia, I did't like being treated like chit by the black US customs in Atlanta. I didn't care for the 20 hour plane ride that cost me $3000. Just doesn't do it for me.

I could go on.

On the ranch/farm itself it was fine- I had a good time, ate well and saw LOTS of game. I didn't think there was much sport in driving around and shooting at stuff or even jumping off and shooting at stuff. I pissed my PH off when I insisted I was going to shoot all my animals from my hind legs and we were going to do a lot of walking and not as much driving. I didn't care for the long lunches and nap time. Other than that, it was great.


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#13647866 - 03/11/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: memtb]  
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Thanks for the clarification.

We rented rifles, as we had more days in country not hunting then hunting.
We breezed through customs in 2 minutes....maybe for that reason.
The porters profusely thanked us for coming hunting and helping their people on our way out of JoBerg.
On the way home British Airways did fog the plane....we weren't thrilled by that.

We informed the PH that we would rather eat sandwiches out in the field daily than drive back and waste a couple hours....they were delighted to comply.
Our PH appreciated that we wanted to hike, stalk and hunt.
I think they are more used to wealthy, out of shape hunters that expect to be waited on hand and foot, more often than not.

I hope with the knowledge you gained on this trip you will know a lot more questions to ask before hand the next time, if you decide to try again.
Rural Africa was magical for us. I hope to enjoy it much more in the future.
We did not overnight in any large metro areas, so maybe we got lucky on the hijack problems.

Take care.


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#13647887 - 03/11/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: dennisinaz]  
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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Originally Posted by colorado bob




One word of caution------Africa gets into your blood. You'll be flying home & you'll be planning your next trip back. I'm going for my 3rd time & plan to hunt with Bossie.



Not necessarily true- I went this past July and I have zero desire to return to the $ hithole continent called Africa. I had a great time while actually hunting, the rest, not so much.


I fully agree with Dennis' observation. I've hunted Africa on two occasions: Tanzania and South Africa. Both times were rewarding experiences but, having now hunted Africa, I have no desire to return. Plenty of wonderful hunts in the USA to keep me completely satisfied for the rest of my life.

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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by memtb
Thinking of a Safari. Plains game for wife and I both hunting, approximately 10 day hunt. With political climate and best affordable Safari in mind.....which countries and PH’s do you recommend? Thanks in advance for advice and comments ( at least the constructive ones) wink ! memtb


memtb, That’s great news! I’m happy for you both. Add a couple of 375 H&H rifles for you and the wife for no other reason than because you can, and a safari hunt is a good excuse to buy something new...You’re 338 Wins will be just the right porridge.
But, I would still want to look at new shoot’n irons as apart of the build up to going....😎



Thanks Mark! She’s welcome to my old H&H, but I’m certain she take her .338....as she’s pretty comfortable with it. And her rifle is about 3 or more pounds lighter than the Win. Model 70. And I’ll use my .375AI. If they’re good enough here in the states....they should be OK for Africa! wink memtb

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#13650569 - 03/12/19 Re: First Time for Africa - Country/PH Recomendations [Re: dennisinaz]  
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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Originally Posted by wageslave
Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Originally Posted by colorado bob




One word of caution------Africa gets into your blood. You'll be flying home & you'll be planning your next trip back. I'm going for my 3rd time & plan to hunt with Bossie.



Not necessarily true- I went this past July and I have zero desire to return to the $ hithole continent called Africa. I had a great time while actually hunting, the rest, not so much.

Wow.
Very surprising to hear.
What happened?
Did you get mugged or something?


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I didn't like being yelled at and taunted in the airport in J'berg because I was toting a guncase and obviously a sportsman, I didn't like being treated like chit by the blacks at customs and airport security who treated the other blacks much differently, I didn't like having bug poison sprayed all over me every time I got in an airplane. I didn't like having to keep the doors locked and windows rolled up when we drove through town so we wouldn't get hi jacked. I didn't like having to pay/bribe someone for almost everything that you needed to do. I didn't like the high fences that were around every property I saw in Namibia, I did't like being treated like chit by the black US customs in Atlanta. I didn't care for the 20 hour plane ride that cost me $3000. Just doesn't do it for me.

I could go on.

On the ranch/farm itself it was fine- I had a good time, ate well and saw LOTS of game. I didn't think there was much sport in driving around and shooting at stuff or even jumping off and shooting at stuff. I pissed my PH off when I insisted I was going to shoot all my animals from my hind legs and we were going to do a lot of walking and not as much driving. I didn't care for the long lunches and nap time. Other than that, it was great.


Where and by who were you being taunted by in the Johannesburg airport? Did you hire a meet and greet service? I hired a meet and greet service and had zero issues. The staff were black and they handled immigration and the rifle permits at the police stations. Easy peasy. I had them walk me to the City Lodge. I bought meals at the restaurants and bookstores in the airport which were run by blacks, nothing but friendly interactions.

As for bug spray, I don't recall that, but I've been to North American farms, kennels and other facilities where we at least had to step in a tray of disinfectant coming and going.

I hired a driver for the afternoon in Johannesburg, never had to lock doors in the cars. But we were primarily in the Eastern Cape. Didn't bribe anyone. Again, hiring a local to assist takes away a lot of the opportunity for persons to take advantage of you.

Can't help you with our own TSA staff, or the cost of your airfare. I'm paying less than $2000CAD for KLM cattleclass.

I made it clear that driving and shooting was not for me, but it was not an issue because that was settled before I went there, the outfitter is the PH and this was all discussed at the show in Calgary where I booked. We had a couple of lunches at homebase when we were close by, but even on most days on the home farm we ate (if at all) in the field. Dawn to dusk baby.

I wish your experience had been better. Africa can be magical. Give it another try Dennis?

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All I will say is that my experiences are nothing like dennisinaz situations, a complete 180 in fact. I do agree that J'burg pretty much sucks.


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Originally Posted by JGRaider
All I will say is that my experiences are nothing like dennisinaz situations, a complete 180 in fact. I do agree that J'burg pretty much sucks.



Same here, I have loved Africa and have endured a few issues but it is part of traveling in a foreign country. I have had more issues with the TSA than I have in other countries.

I also did not care much for Joberg, or Dar Es Salaam or Brazzaville but they are interesting places to visit and in general not much worse than New Orleans.

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i had a great experience in 2016 with Kei River Safaris, Andrew Renton, in S Africa"s Eastern Cape. Heartily recommend


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Absolutely check out the outfitter and PH. I’ve been twice and got shorted both times on what I Pirchased. And Do Not buy a hunt at auction, you pay twice and get half the service. As for booking agents, be wary. Namibia was a great experience even though the booking agent sold us a package and the land owner didn’t do packages, they were not prepared for one of us to bowhunt, and it took 2 of our paid 8days for the landowner to get back and set up the hunt with the PH. South Africa - may as well go to South Texas. SA is just small high fence places with game purchased at the local auction. By small I mean 500 to 1500acres, Namibia was same as free range at over 40,000 acres.

Do your research, I was way too trusting of the booking agent.. and yes I lived in the town where the booking agent was located and asked around. Like usual if you were connected you got one deal and if not another. There are good booking agents - Outdoor Connection - and no I do not get paid by them.

It is a good experience and amazing hunting. Two trips and I regularly hunt with several guys who are better hunters than the PHs. Most PHs are good guys, enjoy hunting, just guys like in a good hunting camp, but not any better than you see if you hunt a lot. Do your homework, distance and size wise - PH cost me as he wouldn’t give the range unless I asked. We had shots from 80 yards to 325 yards. I won’t trust the PH again, I’ll do my own ranging.

It’s a good experience. I agree with using a local agency to help with transfers. Africa Sky is great. Met us at the airport, walked us through customs, stored my Rifles while we toured, service was impeccable. I’m sure others are good as well, but we will use them again.


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