Hornady is going to jump on the ship and get out ammo before Winchester does. But, it will be their abysmal FTX crap, and will have more failure in field tests than the junk 450 bullet they now sell.
If hornady is smart they will load it with the old 180 SSP bullet. Its a near perfect design for this velocity range.
I've used both the 180 Gr SSP and the 180 Gr HP/XTP on deer in a 24" 357 Max. I was surprised to only have about 1" difference in trajectory out to 150 yards; based on limited experience I trust the HP/XTP more to open up at that distance at 357 Max velocity.
Of course, the SSP would feed a lot better for hunters who need more than 1 shot.
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Ruger has already scheduled it for the American Ranch. 1500 will be at a dealer in Michigan in a few months.
The cartridge is an overrated POS. Winchester used a bunch of BS jargon and fudged numbers to make it look more appealing than the polished turd it actually is. A 243 or 30-30 would be better in all respects. They compare it to the 357 max. but there is no comparison.
Can't use a standard AR magazine, and you can't resize from 223 brass or even 223 basic brass.
Hornady is going to jump on the ship and get out ammo before Winchester does. But, it will be their abysmal FTX crap, and will have more failure in field tests than the junk 450 bullet they now sell.
Apparently, you have done extensive testing and reviewing of the ammo to come to the opinion you have — perhaps you could publish that here so everyone might see it. Also to reiterate a reiteration — again — any “bottle-neck” cartridge ( “the 243 and the 30-30”) is illegal in some of the “shotgun-only” states, so comparisons to these cartridges don’t matter. On the other hand, they do matter!, because the reg’s that require straight-walled cartridges are in place to eliminate these very cartridges that have longer range potential.
And, the 357 Max is purely, or nearly so, a handloaders project.
Not much extensive testing needed. You can't generate numbers that just aren't there. Give it a good name, fudge numbers, and hype the hell out of it. But it is still what it is. Which isn't much. They essentially made a new cartridge that can't be formed from anything else. Cartridge head size is the only thing they kept the same. It is a cartridge made for an ammo maker to sell brass and ammo. At least until Starline or someone else picks up the brass, if they ever do. They have come out with some great cartridges over the years, but this isn't their finest, by a long shot.
Yes, but how do you know the numbers are generated if you haven’t shot or tested the ammo? Didn’t watch the video.
It does seems though that the 350 case is [/b] not [b] based off the ubiquitous 223 case which It seems to me would ultimately be a mistake for Winchester. It seems basing it on the 223 case would be a win for hand loaders (and AR makers) while several different commercial loads would appease those who don’t want to stuff their own.
Apparently, they drew their own different conclusions.
As to the 357 Max which some shooters really like, I can’t imagine the potential ballistics of the 350 would be significantly different.
I think it is incorrect. Based on the SAAMI drawings the 350 legend has a rebated rim. .378 rim .390 body.
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It was designed to give all the old farts that are pissed at the Creedmoor, something else to bitch and moan about. That should take some of the pressure off the Creedmoor.
The only reservation I'd have is what may happen when the demand in the target market is filled. Hunters don't buy all that much ammo.
Ought to be a killer-diller for CQ combat, with less recoil than the .450.
Hopefully the AR crowd will shoot it enough to keep the ammo in production.
I wonder how many of the other "shotgun only" states may consider the switch to straight wall cartridges for deer hunting. I don't see much movement that way in Mass or CT, what other states are there?
Haven't memorized the rules since I don't hunt there, but Ohio is one that allows stuff like the .450, which my cousin used on a 275lb (live weight) buck last season. The 12-yard shot wasn't much of a test for the borrowed rifle. Big Dang Deer!
