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It is apparent that your own government is threatening you. THAT is the ultimate purpose for you and your kindred to own arms.

News flash, you just had over 40 people killed! So YES, you do obviously need guns for self-defense!

Had any of them been armed and willing fight back, those numbers would have been greatly reduced!

You ignore the fact that guns don't kill anyone. Evil people kill. There are untold numbers of people who prevented attacks because they had the means to protect themselves, a loved one or a total stranger. Thank god for America's 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms. Too bad none of those killed in New Zealand had that same right!

Sounds like paradise. I would imagine there is no need for policemen in new Zealand?

And if there is, why do you need them?

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We need cops because we have law breakers but those lawbreakers don't go around threatening people with a gun. Generally, low life criminals such as meth peddlers and the like will sometimes shoot at a cop trying to arrest them or whatever but not at the public.



The last time there was shooting such as this was in 1990 when a guy shot up his little seaside town killing 15. Cops killed him. Hardly a daily occurrence.

That's great. You guys must have a different kind of meth than we do. Our public knows all too well about meth heads.


But if the cops didn't exist, your meth heads wouldn't have anything to shoot at correct? You may be able to achieve total nirvana. Just thinking out loud.

Point is, there IS going to be a next time when it happens again. Why not be prepared to limit the loss of life. Good men with guns should not be feared by big brother government. You'd rather a loved one be gun down because it isn't a daily occurrence? Be prepared to defend your life before something happens.

The only trouble with that logic is that with everyone carrying it's easy for some hot head to lose it and settle an argument with a gun. Then it becomes like the wild west.

but you just said??????

You simply don't understand. The 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms.

You'd rather a hot head pull a gun (like they just did and kill 40+ people) instead of allowing responsible people the ability to protect themselves. I choose to protect myself and loved ones instead of being a helpless sheep hoping it doesn't happen.

Had.

California.

That is because most of their crims come here, more opportunity I suppose.

In case of American visitors

so how would some of the folks here be with every NZ muslim man and woman carrying an AR just like the perp had...?

that would be considered 'legally arming terrorists who want to kill infidels'.. in some CF minds.

I live in a backwards redneck town.
Pretty laughable.

In the last couple of years big city folks have come and with them, a major increase in drugs and violence.

Just saying that things don't stay nice forever.
Esp when you bring in people of different culture/sub culture.

No they don't because they're not armed. Don't know of anyone personally who has ever been threatened with a firearm. Not in my little town anyway.

I've been using shotguns, handguns and rifles for over fifty years. Used go rabbit shooting when I was a kid with a .22 slung over my shoulder. Riding through town on my bike heading out in to the countryside, people would wave out and say good luck hunting' and such like. A kid can't do that anymore and hasn't been able to for a long time either. Someone is bound to phone the police and report they've just seen someone with a GUN.

Unfortunately that's the way it is today. As hookeye says, 'things don't stay nice forever'.

True.

One Incident and now no one has the right to protect themselves anyone, the Drug dealers, buglers, and Criminals in Nz would be so happy to hear this.

No you can rob someone and the most they can do is call the cops who are usually late to the scene. Maybe i should move to NZ. LOL.

I understand perfectly your 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms. I've also lived in RI and I'll wager I've seen more of the U.S. than 95% the members of the campfire.

Tell me if you will, do think the average citizen carries a gun to church in the U.S. assuming they go to one?