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An immediate threat to who?

No one can say if things would be better in Europe if WW2 had turned out differently.

But it's obvious that Europe is ruined today.

Patton seems to have had at least an abstract understanding of what was to occur as a result of how the war in Europe played out.

I doubt that he understood that it would also come to America, however.

Oh,...and jorge,...no Russian victory in WW2,...no Castro.

What do general staffs do? Do you think that the plans contained in the Pentagon for an invasion and occupation of Outer Mongolia indicate an instruction by the political powers of the United States to prepare for that eventuality and an intention to do so, or rather are indicative of an obsessive compulsive desire to plan and prepare for any possible contingency by staff officers with nothing better to do?

Actually you should know your history better. France and England invaded Germany in WW II before Germany invaded them.

Well, they certainly did because they let Russia invade Poland at the same time Germany did with no repercussions.

“If grandmother were still alive, this war would have never happened”!

Kaiser Wilhelm II

I do not feel the Kaiser was as much a war monger as was perhaps his general staff, and he also stated that going to war with the Hapsburgs as allies was akin to being tethered to a corpse.

But colonialism makes for strange bedfellows.

I also do not feel that the great war was solely perpetrated by the great unwashed. But they certainly paid the price.

The Soviet strategy was to let Germany defeat all of the armies to the west of the Soviet Union, then attack and defeat a German army depleted by their conquests, thereby gaining control over all of Europe having to defeat only one opponent that had already expended a great deal of resources. This plan was set back when Germany launched Barbarossa and gained the initial advantage and momentum before the Soviets attacked. Again, I suggest reading [uThe Chief Culprit][/u].

i was watching another youtube yesterday on stalingrad, and the food ration for the german soldier. towards the end it amounted to about two slices of bread a day, and some fat once a week.
about 700 calories all in all. keep in mind the stress of combat and the cold.

this reminded me of a conversation with that german in law that served in russia. he was talking about living on erzatz bread made with sawdust and a spoonful of lard per week.

That conversation started from me telling him one day of my grandparents spooning concealed lard out of a pot with a cooked ham, and smearing the lard on black bread. They ate that before the meat.
Times were hard in the old country.

Dad, born 1908, Pocahontas County, Iowa, always told of taking lard sandwiches to school for dinner. His father had come over from Germany, alone, as a teenager.

i am connected to a facebook page for novot, slovakia. they have been posting pictures of the village and surrounding area given the heavy snows. choppers were flying low over the trees next to the roads to knock snow off, to prevent the trees from cracking and falling into the roads.
i am talking a LOT of snow. I cannot imagine trying to move mechanicized equipment in those conditions.
One of the local competitions they have this time of year is moving heavy timber in races with horses that are the size of clydsdales.
And to think hitler stopped issuance of winter clothing to his troops. idiot.

I asked my croat stepgrandfather one time why he came to this country circa 1902. He said he didn't really know what the United States was, but maybe he would have a chance. He said it was routine every winter in his village in croatia for people to die of the cold and starvation.
It took me a lot of my life being stupid, to realize how much those people taught me about how to lead your life and what was important.
my wife was born in texas to sharecropper parents. she was still a young girl in the late 40's living in morristown, outside of wickenburg, arizona in the desert. And couldn't start school in the fall as she didn't have any shoes. To think of not having shoes in the arizona desert?
I have a picture of my mother in the 20's having a so called picnic in the desert by buckeye, az. She had dark circles under her eyes, and was a scarecrow. Think of those pictures of the camps during WWII. Each generation here it got easier, but my mama who was a .75/hr waitress always made sure i got fed. Those memories and stories of the old country are probably what gives me little patience with the next couple of generations you see hollering on the evening news.

You are correct, it just turned over the reins of power to them and that is the mess we have today...

JB: If you think Hitler had no designs on France and or England, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Definitely France,...maybe England out of necessity,..but so what?

Would they be worse off today?

Today:

Germany under the control of a Communist female.

France under the control of a homosexual, Communist male,..riots ongoing.

England under the control of a female muppet that's trying to overturn the Brexit vote and return control of the country to the Bolsheviks in Brussels.

,...Muslims running roughshod over all of them.

Concur, absolutely!

The Kaiser, in his dotage from the Netherlands sends Hitler a telegram congratulating him on the armistice with France in 1940. He states that now would be a good time to reinstall the monarchy. Hitler sent him no reply. But read the telegram and stated to those around him, "what an idiot!"

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Neither Wilhelm the I or II heeded Bismarck’s words.

"The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia!"

“The entire Balkans are not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian grenadier!"

I am on the other side of Slovakia in Kosice. I haven't made it to Bratislava yet. I hear it is nice. I am not much for the cities. I love the Tatras and have spent a lot of time snowboarding, hiking and climbing there. As soon as the fishing opens I am hoping to get some time on the rivers for Hucho hucho, Brown and Rainbow Trout, and Grayling. My next big trip is to Slovenia for Marble Trout. Maybe next weekend if the weather isn't great I'll take a drive over to Bratislava.

England, France and Germany have certainly squandered their freedom and if Germany had successfully conquered England as well as France in 1941 - then all of the other countries they occupied - things would obviously be very different, although no one can say with certainty how. But I doubt 78 years under the Third Reich would have been a picnic, either. Folks forget just how repressive, totally controlled and brutal it really was. Listening to the wrong radio station was punishable by imprisonment. "Ihre Papieren, bitte" when traveling inside one's own country isn't a made up expression. There is a reason Nazi Germany is considered the modern archetype of the repressive police state.

Although, the next time we get a Democrat controlled Senate, HR and President at the same time we might get to experience that again...