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https://www.guns.com/news/2019/03/22/looming-bump-stock-ban-blocked-by-federal-court-order

The U.S. 10th Circuit on Thursday issued a temporary stay of the pending federal bump stock ban set to take effect next week.

The stay comes in the case of Utah gun rights advocate W. Clark Aposhian, backed by the nonprofit New Civil Liberties Alliance, which takes issue with how government regulators moved to outlaw the devices last year. As such, it blocks enforcement, set to take effect on March 26, against Aposhian while his case is in the courts.

“Today the Court of Appeals told the ATF that it could not rush through the bump stock ban without meaningful judicial review,” said Caleb Kruckenberg, NCLA’s litigation counsel, in a statement to Guns.com. “The Court understands the stakes and is refusing to let an innocent owner be declared a felon, as scheduled.”

The lawsuit, filed in January in a Salt Lake City U.S. District Court, challenges the proper role of administrative agencies– such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives– and whether their regulations may contradict a law passed by Congress, specifically the definition of a “machine gun” as set by lawmakers in 1934 and 1968. The case argues that ATF essentially rewrote the definition as set out by previous laws, something that was not in the agency’s power to do.

Complete story at the link.



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Due process at work?

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Good. I am not a fan of bump stocks, but the ban was just a knee jerk reaction, that should be suppressed. We shall see how it goes. miles


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Where's the NRA in all this?

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All part of the plan.

President Trump knew the ATF directive would be challenged in court and eventually lose.

Gun owners will get to keep their Plastic toys and the Trump Administration has one less political battle to contend with.

Right out of the Democrat play book. Legislate from the bench.


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Originally Posted by FieldGrade
Where's the NRA in all this?


Statement from the NRA

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(FAIRFAX, VA) - The National Rifle Association today issued the following statement:

"In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented. Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control. Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks. This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world. In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities. To that end, on behalf of our five million members across the country, we urge Congress to pass National Right-to-Carry reciprocity, which will allow law-abiding Americans to defend themselves and their families from acts of violence."



https://home.nra.org/joint-statement

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The NRA on Oct. 5 called for a federal regulation outlawing the sale and possession of “bump stocks,” the device Las Vegas mass murderer Steve Paddock used to retrofit his weapons with rapid-fire capabilities, leaving 58 victims dead and more than 500 injured in just nine minutes Oct. 1 in Las Vegas.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
All part of the plan.

President Trump knew the ATF directive would be challenged in court and eventually lose.

Gun owners will get to keep their Plastic toys and the Trump Administration has one less political battle to contend with.

Right out of the Democrat play book. Legislate from the bench.



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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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All part of the plan.

President Trump knew the ATF directive would be challenged in court and eventually lose.

Gun owners will get to keep their Plastic toys and the Trump Administration has one less political battle to contend with.

Right out of the Democrat play book. Legislate from the bench.



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I am not a big fan of the bump stocks, its mainly a novelty, ... and because I can not afford the ammunition to shoot it.
The bump stock had problems at first and now that it seems no longer the case. So in effect a person now has a fully automatic firearm even though it's still a semi-automatic.
I myself, think the owners of the bump stocks should have to meet the same licensing requirements as if it were a fully automatic firearm.

BUT that still will not prevent some crazy person from shooting-up some place. Times have changed.

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Thanks to Gun Owners of America.

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Originally Posted by FieldGrade
Where's the NRA in all this?

They're the folks who encouraged Trump to issue the order.

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Originally Posted by FieldGrade
Where's the NRA in all this?


Occupying Slidefire's SHOT show booth, presumably.

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Originally Posted by lippygoathead
I am not a big fan of the bump stocks, its mainly a novelty, ... and because I can not afford the ammunition to shoot it.
The bump stock had problems at first and now that it seems no longer the case. So in effect a person now has a fully automatic firearm even though it's still a semi-automatic.
I myself, think the owners of the bump stocks should have to meet the same licensing requirements as if it were a fully automatic firearm.

BUT that still will not prevent some crazy person from shooting-up some place. Times have changed.

Nah. Bump stocks simulate full auto fire, but don't duplicate it. Much much harder to hold on target while operating a bump stock than with real full auto. It requires lots of conscious effort to sustain the effect, so focus on keeping the sights on target is mostly non-existent.

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Originally Posted by lippygoathead
I am not a big fan of the bump stocks, its mainly a novelty, ... and because I can not afford the ammunition to shoot it.
The bump stock had problems at first and now that it seems no longer the case. So in effect a person now has a fully automatic firearm even though it's still a semi-automatic.
I myself, think the owners of the bump stocks should have to meet the same licensing requirements as if it were a fully automatic firearm.

BUT that still will not prevent some crazy person from shooting-up some place. Times have changed.

Do you tell people you’re pro gun?

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by lippygoathead
I am not a big fan of the bump stocks, its mainly a novelty, ... and because I can not afford the ammunition to shoot it.
The bump stock had problems at first and now that it seems no longer the case. So in effect a person now has a fully automatic firearm even though it's still a semi-automatic.
I myself, think the owners of the bump stocks should have to meet the same licensing requirements as if it were a fully automatic firearm.

BUT that still will not prevent some crazy person from shooting-up some place. Times have changed.

Nah. Bump stocks simulate full auto fire, but don't duplicate it. Much much hard to hold on target while operating a bump stock than with real full auto. It requires lots of conscious effort to sustain the effect, so focus on keeping the sights on target is mostly non-existent.


Yep.

Slide fire is no where close to real fully auto fire.

That's why you see the guys using them shooting at lakes and hillsides, and seldom at targets.

A guy at our range has one. I like it when he shows up because he doesn't reload, but I can put more rounds on target in less time with my Geissele SG3 than he can with the bumpfire stock.


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Originally Posted by Swifty52
https://www.guns.com/news/2019/03/22/looming-bump-stock-ban-blocked-by-federal-court-order

The U.S. 10th Circuit on Thursday issued a temporary stay of the pending federal bump stock ban set to take effect next week.

The stay comes in the case of Utah gun rights advocate W. Clark Aposhian, backed by the nonprofit New Civil Liberties Alliance, which takes issue with how government regulators moved to outlaw the devices last year. As such, it blocks enforcement, set to take effect on March 26, against Aposhian while his case is in the courts.

“Today the Court of Appeals told the ATF that it could not rush through the bump stock ban without meaningful judicial review,” said Caleb Kruckenberg, NCLA’s litigation counsel, in a statement to Guns.com. “The Court understands the stakes and is refusing to let an innocent owner be declared a felon, as scheduled.”

The lawsuit, filed in January in a Salt Lake City U.S. District Court, challenges the proper role of administrative agencies– such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives– and whether their regulations may contradict a law passed by Congress, specifically the definition of a “machine gun” as set by lawmakers in 1934 and 1968. The case argues that ATF essentially rewrote the definition as set out by previous laws, something that was not in the agency’s power to do.

Complete story at the link.



This is a huge win. It could be pretty important if we get a Dem president who try's out "reclassify" pistol braces, or green tip, etc.

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I like where their head was at in not making a felon out of a bumpstock owner. That's the root of all these gun control measures that we need them to understand. We can't go from honest law abiding citizens to felon because some azzhole in Washington signs us into prison.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
I like where their head was at in not making a felon out of a bumpstock owner. That's the root of all these gun control measures that we need them to understand. We can't go from honest law abiding citizens to felon because some azzhole in Washington signs us into prison.

gooberment doesn't care if they make you an outlaw, just do as your told.

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Originally Posted by 700LH
Originally Posted by Fireball2
I like where their head was at in not making a felon out of a bumpstock owner. That's the root of all these gun control measures that we need them to understand. We can't go from honest law abiding citizens to felon because some azzhole in Washington signs us into prison.

gooberment doesn't care if they make you an outlaw, just do as your told.


Normally I would be right there with you but isn't it refreshing to finally have someone stand up?

“The Court understands the stakes and is refusing to let an innocent owner be declared a felon, as scheduled.”


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Thanks to Gun Owners of America.




I need to join. They seem to be on top of every new 2nd Amendment encroachment.


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