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I read somewhere, maybe the LA Times, that in 2017 there were more than 70,000 drug overdose deaths in the U.S., with around 50,000 of those deaths coming from Opioids. The killer opioid appears to be Fentanyl, most of which is manufactured in China and illegally smuggled into the U.S.

It seems as though that many seemingly preventable deaths would trigger a national outrage, but I don't read or hear about any real way to combat voluntary addiction. Most addiction starts as a voluntary action, right? Think about it, 70,000 death in one year is more than the total number of American military personnel KIA during the past 60 years.

One of my friends' sons has been an opioid addict for nearly 20 years, starting when he was prescribed Oxycontin after surgery in 2000. He has been through more addiction treatment programs than I care to recall, and has never been clean and sober for more than 18 months before relapsing. He has lost jobs, wrecked a marriage that was already on thin ice, lied to, cheated, and stole from all of his family and friends. His addiction has torn his family apart and his parents walk the tightrope of helping on one side or enabling on the other side. His Mother once told me that she wished that he would die and that his death would provide closure for the family. Instead, he lives on, a bomb waiting to relapse and drag his family back onto the roller-coaster ride of addiction.and recovery.

Do you think that the Chinese are purposely pumping Fentanyl into the U.S. as a means to destroy us by our own hand?

Well, there's no outrage because the govt loves people dependent on them so they can grow their programs and skim the profits off.

As to whether the Chinese would intentionally dump fent here to undermine our society, sure, weaken anyone you can and win by running at half steam rather than having to overtake your adversaries at full strength.

No. You were all warned of this [bleep] decades ago and everybody said it was modern medicine at it's best . Enjoy.

Yeah, that and they got Trump elected. They are going to bring us down from the inside.

You know there are Chinese registered on this forum.

FWIW, one guy's been payin attention:

https://freebeacon.com/issues/xi-tells-trump-china-will-schedule-fentanyl/

"President Xi, in a wonderful humanitarian gesture, has agreed to designate Fentanyl as a Controlled Substance, meaning that people selling Fentanyl to the United States will be subject to China's maximum penalty under the law," White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders announced in a Saturday night statement.

I'm always worried about getting F'd up Cola.....



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I suspect it is the money angle, like always. We all have family members who are addicted to something, drugs, or booze. Some of it seems to be a genetic trail, and mental health (still genetic) plays a large role, I could nebver figure if it is the booze or the personality quirk that comes first but suspect the personality thing.

Wife has chronic pain and needs the meds. operations have failed and more are improbable to do. But she is lumped in with all the others.

I think China (government) has no more skin in the game than the governments of Mexico or whereever. Look atMexican/Colombia cartels and it is again money driven.

Ignorance on display.

They can all die. There isn't one person today that doesn't know that drug use is dangerous. We are overpopulated and purging the stupid using their own weaknesses is a good start.

There's no doubt the Chinese know what's happening in this nation and they certainly don't make any attempt to stem the flow of these drugs.

President Trump has addressed this issue with the Chinese government.He's the only president that has done that since this opioid crisis began.

I've stated this before but it's worth repeating.This is the kind of unbridled greed that occurs when Godless people are introduced to capitalism.

Yeah, it's a money trail alright...and it starts REAL close to you and ends in this country.

What kind of f u c k i n g moron are you ?

When the weak links are eliminated the chain just gets stronger

"It seems as though that many seemingly preventable deaths would trigger a national outrage, but I don't read or hear about any real way to combat voluntary addiction.."

Your kidding, right ?
This has been all over the news, all over congress, all over everywhere for about 5 years.

Doctors and Pharmacists and all the rules they have to follow have changed, and changed again.
People in great pain, people who really need pain killers, can not get them.

I personally know two people with legitimate need who have been cut off by new regulations.
One, an 80 year old me with a degenerative spine/nerve condition. He is in agony 24/7.
He has been told tough, the government will not let us prescribe you anything anymore. Basically, die in pain.!

Keep telling yourself that.

I know you could think that with me posting on this forum full of jerk offs. But I’m only here for a little while.

I doubt it. People like you have no where else to go. The last couple of years roster prove that.

Sound like a bunch drug trolls.

Of course.....same with Mexico.....our loss is their gain. That being said, if we didn't have a market for it, they couldn't move it so the real blame lies on this side of the fence.

I don't think that it is right for people who have chronic pain conditions to be denied the medicines that they need. OTOH, there seem to be a lot of physicians who are prescribing pain meds and not following up with their patients to insure that while their pain is being managed, they aren't slipping out of control and into addiction.

You would think that it would be fairly hard to run a criminal enterprise under a totalitarian government, but apparently it isn't. I don't trust the Chinese any more than I trust the Russians, which is not at all, and think that it is suicide to allow so many Chinese college students in U.S. colleges and universities.