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Have shot a pile of big game with 200-grain .30 caliber Partitions, many of them bull elk at least as large as an interior grizzly, both from the .30-06 and three .300 magnums. They don't always exit, but usually do. One example was a 6x6 bull at 75 yards, quartering toward me. Shot it through the big shoulder joint with a handload from the .300 Winchester Magnum with a muzzle velocity right around 3000 fps. The bullet smashed the shoulde and exited at the rear of the ribcage on the other side. Elk pretty dead, pretty fast.
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That 30 cal, 200 gr Nosler Partition is one heck of a bullet.
I only sent 'em out at a bit over 2600 fps from my 30-06, it was such a sweet shooting load. But the accuracy and performance on the bear was terrific. I was so impressed that I almost made it my standard 30-06 load!
Best of luck on your hunt!
Regards, Guy
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Thanks for the responses John and Guy
I agree, have utmost confidence in the 30 call, 200 partition
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I’ve used the 200 grain Partition on interior grizzly and several other big animals including elk. Great bullet, great performance EVERY time when properly placed. I’ve also used the 270 TSX on a pile of big stuff including brown bear. Same thing with the TSX. Put it where it’s supposed to go and it will do it’s job EVERY time. I don’t think you could go wrong using either bullet or rifle. Im a huge fan of the 375 H&H and a 300 RUM was my go to elk rifle for years. Either would work just fine.
Having said that I’ve hunted the area you will be in. All things equal I’d probably end up taking a 300 RUM or 300 WM pushing the 200 Partitions especially if your 375 is a 10 pound rig. That country has a way of making you regret every single unnecessary ounce once you start hiking and especially climbing. When I hunted there I was carrying my 300 RUM.
One other thing to consider is mag capacity. Some RUMs will only hold 2 down with bolt closed on an empty chamber. I never liked that idea in grizzly country and installed PT&G bottom metal to allow another round down in my 300 RUM.
Pulling for you to have a great hunt. Wish I was tagging along.
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Official weights.
300rum .....8lbs, 9oz...so just a smidge above 8.5lbs
375 H&H . 9lbs, 15ozs.... just a smidge below 10lbs
No comparison, 300rum carries way easier, more balanced.
375 is bbl heavy, but for good reason. Very easy gun to shoot, recoil is really just a push, very accurate rifle, as is the 300rum.
Recoil on the RUM has been tamed, via a brake. Also very easy to shoot.
Tony
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Official weights.
300rum .....8lbs, 9oz...so just a smidge above 8.5lbs
375 H&H . 9lbs, 15ozs.... just a smidge below 10lbs
No comparison, 300rum carries way easier, more balanced.
375 is bbl heavy, but for good reason. Very easy gun to shoot, recoil is really just a push, very accurate rifle, as is the 300rum.
Recoil on the RUM has been tamed, via a brake. Also very easy to shoot.
Tony From experience, guides hate the noise brakes make... just saying...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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I dont know anyone that does not hate the brake noise.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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Sitka,
Add me to the list of people who hate brakes.
But, I don't have a choice. I have fusions in my neck..c3 thru c7. Can't shoot the really heavy kickers, can't risk it.
I had an unbraked 338rum, and 300rum but sold them after my neck surgery. I'm not recoil shy at all.
I'll bring extra earplugs for the guide.
Tony
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Truth be told, my unbraked 20" 375AI is not exactly a church mouse when it goes off.
There is a lot to the geometry of the stock and how hard it recoils. I have an extremely light 30-06 that is a kitten for right-handed shooters (absolutely brutal for lefties) with a 23 ounce stock and 1" Pachmeyer pad. Cast makes a huge difference.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Sitka,
Add me to the list of people who hate brakes.
But, I don't have a choice. I have fusions in my neck..c3 thru c7. Can't shoot the really heavy kickers, can't risk it.
I had an unbraked 338rum, and 300rum but sold them after my neck surgery. I'm not recoil shy at all.
I'll bring extra earplugs for the guide.
Tony “Necessary evil” comes to mind. Good luck Tony.
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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Truth be told, my unbraked 20" 375AI is not exactly a church mouse when it goes off.
There is a lot to the geometry of the stock and how hard it recoils. I have an extremely light 30-06 that is a kitten for right-handed shooters (absolutely brutal for lefties) with a 23 ounce stock and 1" Pachmeyer pad. Cast makes a huge difference. That 375 AI is a smart cartridge. 7-7.5 lbs unscoped, they carry ok. Standard cartridge dimensions allow for 4-5 cartridges down. 375 caliber size needs less barrel for efficient burn of medium-fast powders, so 20" is on par. Chambered in standard sized rifles, you don't have to carry the heft of the magnum bolt rifles. Powder capacity around 55-65 grains of powder, the recoil is minimal closer to the 55 grain mark, but manageable up towards or slightly past 60 grains. If I were elderly, or had serious injuries to neck, back or shoulders, I would personally pick up a 308 Winchester, 338 Federal, or 358 Winchester for all my Alaskan Hunting. At 45-50 grains of powder, the recoil is a non issue, Follow up shots will be quickest of the bunch. 6-6.5 lbs, they carry like a dream. Doctari wrote about the sweet spot in velocity for good penetration in all African Game. I believe 2400 fps was the upper end. It's no wonder that yukon 254 sent a 250 grain partition clear through a very large bison, fired from a 358 winchester. That's about as tough of a test you'll find in North America.
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