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You post you off topic bullshit on a public forum and you get all butt hurt when someone doesn't praise your stupidity with anything but positive opinions/responses? You knew it was off topic when you posted it. Then you try to insult me and drag my family into? I won't address anyone in your family but you... [bleep] you, you [bleep] [bleep]. Maybe we'll run into each other at a show or something, and can discuss it in person.

My process to warming up to other than blued steel and walnut started with a Savage 111 grey laminate in .257 Roberts. Shot undawnly good. Then I ventured into Weatherby territory and have a 257 Weatherby mag in Sub MOA Vanguerd with stainless barreled action in a grey black spiderweb stock. Then I picked up a fancy aluminium bedded composite stock for my Remington 30-06 Mountain rifle. I'm now of the humble opinion that you can cherish the past without disregarding the present. There be room in me safe for both.

Haha

Maybe...

You did not extend me the same courtesy, you wanted to try to get the last word. Or you would not have responded. How is asking for clarification of what YOU typed picking apart every word?

I found my buddy a 300 Win mag in a Savage bolt gun for about $500 in new condition. That thing reminded me why I got out of the 300 mag business 25 years ago. The recoil can be described about like this.

You are deaf and blind and tied to a stake in the middle of the railroad tracks. A train with 23 engines and 120 flatbed cars loaded with D9 bulldozers is going 270 miles an hour and hits your stake. ...

He missed the biggest blacktail buck he's ever shot at with it. I can't imagine what could have gone wrong.

I'll put my two cents into the OT portion of this thread. I got a left handed Weatherby Accumark in 300 Weatherby 20 years ago. I like the caliber and have two more West German made deluxe Mark V's that are somewhat collectible. I've hunted in conditions I would not subject the deluxe rifles to. The Accumark is ugly but useful.
Incidentally, it looks like Weatherby is moving to Wyoming.

Mine is a Browning A-bolt composite stalker. Composite stock and parkerized metal. It was one of the first ones to come out with the Boss System. I guess I bought that gun somewhere around 1993. It is very accurate and an easy gun to shoot with the muzzle brake on it. Kicks way less than to 2 308 F's I had. The only bad thing you can say about it is that it is so loud, you can barely stand to shoot the thing even with hearing protection. There isn't anything appealing to the eye about it, but it has been many places that weren't fit for wood an blued steel. Kind of like having a farm truck to drive instead of having to take out the new car. Maybe that is what my son had in mind as well when he told me he didn't want "nothing with wood or blued steel", but it made me think and wonder about his generation of shooters and the guns they think are interesting now and what they might like 30, 40, 50 years from now.


Personally, I'm not sure they are going to be drawn to the old wood and steel guns in the future. I hope I am wrong.

Just curious to know what other guys take was.

Forgot on my last post my Savage 20 Ga 220 bolt action slug gun. Has a camo synthetic stock. Its accurate as any center fire in my safe out to 100 yards. Don't have to worry bout pampering it. In this particular case, I would rather have synthetic than wood. It thrives on abuse.

I've always said that the best all-around .30 rifle may well be a .300 Whatever Magnum. But, I was speaking as a handloader and above all theoretically. A handloader can load it down to tolerably fun levels. For example, a sack full of 150 grain cast bullets at 16-1800 fps is more fun than a brothel full of Korean girls and can be shot up in one sitting without breaking a sweat- darned good for learning the gun and becoming proficient with it. One can then max it out with factory-level jacketed loads and go forth and slay dragons, but it's the rare nimrod who can manage a sack full of full snot .300 Magnums and walk away without a flinch (whether he admits it or not) or a severely drained pocketbook. Those reasons are precisely why I have never once heeded my own advice re: all around-ness.

I like the idea of fixing the lad up with two different rifles, and sitting back and see which one he shows up with next time afield.

Hmmm....

You don't really expect us to buy that do you? Have you been in a brothel full of Korean girls?!!

My son shoots a .300 WM long range and uses a suppressor. Man does that can make a world of difference on noise and recoil!

End of deer season he was filling meat donation tags off of open grain fields at 600 yds setting in his truck bed. He said he felt like one of the old buffalo hunters.

I think this might become my new yardstick by which fun is measured. I’m kinda getting tired of “barrel full of monkeys” thing anyhow; which never really rated as high as a “bucket load of [bleep]” in my big book fun.

Hmmm, for some reason this sight is censoring the shortened version of [bleep]??? Is that a naughty word?

Wow, it doesn’t like the full name either. Oh well, just think Tarzan and Cheetah.

better to hit the bull with a 243, than 6-8 inches off with your super shooting times ultra magnum whatever.. lots of guys make the mistake of buying a big mag and not learning how to shoot it.
myself . I shoot a 270 very well much more than that I really don't want to put in the time to be good with ..besides I'm getting old .

plab

Most bolt actions I been around come outta their stock so easy.

Buy wood if u wanna, put it in a plastic case to hunt.

But I hear ya! Me thinks the golden age of investing in firearms is past us!

I dunno about gnoahhh, but I took out a 303 99 H from the fire,plinking with a peep from the fire, wood stock replaced via the fire, ammo made here on the fire. It was awful fun! But I keep hearing $ 20 dollar make U holler!

I'm sure you made a very good point in there, but my mind went wondering off to that brothel full of Korean girls. After that, it was like Charlie Brown getting chastised by his teacher...."wah-wah, wah-wah, wah- wah-wah".

Edit: Sorry, didn't read down the thread far enough to see that Fireball2 and S99VG already swung at the big meatball down the middle of the plate.

It's interesting to me, but kind of cool, how these threads drift off topic sometimes and develop into a whole different thread.

The 300 "Whatever Magnums" are probably one of the most inherently capable efficient long range loadings on the planet. They shoot flat and with heavy for caliber bullets and deliver a lot of kinetic energy when they get there

Carlos Hathcock won the 1000 yard Wimbelton Cup in 1965 at Camp Perry with a 300 Win Mag before he ever got to Viet Nam and we all know what he did with his Model 70 in 30-06 when he got there.

You don't need to be a genius or a PHD in physics to be able to read a ballistic table

If, you can get past the recoil, which is possible with a muzzle break. However, the recoil reducing muzzle break can produce another flinch resulting from the impending muzzle blast and concussion.

But all that aside, to me, the 300 Win Mag is more like a punch in the arm than the punch is the face my 308 F's used to give me.

Anybody that can shoot a 308 or 358 F can shoot a 300 "Whatever Mag" with a muzzle break.

I'd sooner take the recoil than the muzzle blast. For me a 300 magnum is a lose/lose proposition.

True confession time. I hate recoil. I don't care if it's a .300 Magnum Winchester or a .300 Savage in a M1920 (I got rid of mine because the little bugger was one of the nastiest little kickers I ever owned). I don't like concussive muzzle blast, brake or no brake, and don't like being subjected to it by inconsiderate nimrods at the range so I'm sure no one wants me to subject them to it either.

A big wuss? Maybe. But I developed the Flinch To End All Flinches by the time I quit trap shooting. After over 100,000 shots fired over the course of my pursuing the sport I got to the point where I had to force myself to pull the trigger- my mind simply didn't want yet another belt to the shoulder, and that was with trap loads in a relatively heavy gun. That plus the fact I was getting pretty bored with the game caused me to walk away from it. (It's sad when you run 100 straight often enough that it's no longer an exciting accomplishment.) One of my trap buddies flinched so bad he started lunging forward off the firing line like he was trying to bayonet the clay bird, again with mild loads and a heavy gun. Repetitive firing has a cumulative effect, and by adding heavy sharp magnum recoil to the mix is a recipe for mental disaster for the vast majority of folks, excluding the Macho He-Men, of course (insert sarcasm emoji here).

I have conquered The Flinch, more or less, but I don't wish to court it any more. Guess what, about 95 out of 100 guys who pound themselves with .300/.338/.375 Magnums have flinches to one degree or another, whether they admit it or not. Same goes for the macho types who batter themselves with 3" waterfowl and turkey loads. And it doesn't have to have the word Magnum in its title- it can just as easily be a pisspoor stock design or lightweight, or both. (Witness the .300 M1920 I mentioned at first.)

I love .30-06's, and own four at the moment. I'm not ashamed to admit that to make them manageable I shoot almost entirely reduced loads in them, reserving the full-snot loads for a brief re-sight in before hunting. Just that brief encounter with snappish recoil is enough to make The Flinch start to whisper in my ear. I won't shoot a .300 Magnum for love nor money. I congratulate those who can, as long as they aren't kidding themselves.

Can’t fault the 06 and for most guys shooting out to 1000-yards is a novelty, especially when I hear of so many sighting their rifles in at something much less than 100. Still, the fascination of shooting long distances with a rifle has always been a focal point with me. But it is a novelty and something you can test with any cartridge. However, to get beck on track with this thread we should ask what rifle will your son be buying?