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Originally Posted by keith
Reaming one out....

Better thinking would be to cut off a neck length of barrel shank and then a re chamber. Reamer dia vs old chamber dia could be a miss fit, not to mention if the factory barrel is not machined with bore and chamber aligned. There will always be some run out, how much is a question. The gunsmith will need some latitude in cleaning up bore alignment with chamber mis alignment with the new chamber. This can be more work than chambering a new barrel.

Also, don't expect any accuracy guarantee.

Fotus, excessive freebore and throat dia allows a lot of gas blow by resulting in velocity loss, not to mention bore dia varies...reamers and throat geometry count.

I shoot a 7 STW with a Pac Nor 27" tube, 140g tipped tripple shock at 3650, tiny groups...550 is a chip shot. Barrel is twisted for 140-150g Noslers with 3750 fps being a max load with accuracy for the 140g C/T bullet. Obviously, I don't shoot long range, just do not like running deer. Same load with a 140g Nosler C/T bullet has never failed brother and I also....never on BIG Kansas deer that go over 300 lbs out to 550 yards. Kansas record white tails run over 400 lbs...we have not seen any of these.

Since good Winchester brass has disappeared for the 7 STW, I have designed a 7 Mashburn reamer and a 7 Practical That I hope to chamber this year in Brux barrels for use in Old blue bag winchester brass. I did not design a CIP spec reamer for RWS brass.


Good info thanks. The 7mm rem looks tiny in my Sako V action. I have shot it very little since buying it in February but the previous owner who I know had no problem with it at all. I might need to look at a aftermarket barrel and I also have a SS 700 Mag in 257 laying around as well.

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Out of complete curiosity and due to my addiction to tinkering and wildcat chambering. I decided to do the exact same 7.21 Sage concept but necked up to .338. Grant at JGS said my reamer should ship next week. I already have a factory Rem700 .338 Ultra and a Benchmark built .338 Edge (Which is spooky accurate) but I wanted to see if I could get similar gains as I did with the 7.21 Sage over the 7mm Magnum using the 300 Win mag case.

7.21 Sage cartridge (Left)
.338 Winchester Magnum case (Center)
On the right is a .300 Win Mag case with a .338 230gr ELD-X, when fire formed it will have the same 35 degree shoulder and case taper as the 7.21 Sage on the Left.

I’m looking forward to load development.

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Originally Posted by SMACK
The 7mm Practical was what sent me in the direction of my 7.21 Sage. My version of the 7-300. Mine has minimum case taper and a 35 degree shoulder.

Shoots a solid 1/2 MOA or better. I’ve only shot three shot groups seeing it’s a magnum I use for hunting. Also from past experience it won’t be easy on throats. So I don’t heat it up. It’s a 8 twist, 3 contour Schneider Barrel. Took my first game with it this last fall season. Two Mule deer, one at a bit over 400 and one at 847. Both were Bang Flops with the Hornady 180gr ELD-M @ 3183 FPS.

Shoots the 162gr ELD-X well.

300yards 3325 FPS / This was my top end. I backed it down a bit.

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300 yards@ 3256 FPS. My fireforming loads shot extremely well & fast.

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180gr ELD 300 yards @ 3183 FPS

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How long is the barrel on your rig and how heavy is it? Maybe it’s just me but the barrel looks like it’s loooooong!


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Originally Posted by SMACK


7.21 Sage cartridge (Left)
.338 Winchester Magnum case (Center)
On the right is a .300 Win Mag case with a .338 230gr ELD-X, when fire formed it will have the same 35 degree shoulder and case taper as the 7.21 Sage on the Left.

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Smack I can tell I DON’T need to hang with you. wink

I just thot I had a problem. grin

That’s too interesting. cool

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How long is the barrel on your rig and how heavy is it? Maybe it’s just me but the barrel looks like it’s loooooong!
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28” 👍 3 contour Schneider. It’s not heavy. I hunt open country. We can take shots as long as a guy is capable of.

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Originally Posted by SMACK
Out of complete curiosity and due to my addiction to tinkering and wildcat chambering. I decided to do the exact same 7.21 Sage concept but necked up to .338. Grant at JGS said my reamer should ship next week. I already have a factory Rem700 .338 Ultra and a Benchmark built .338 Edge (Which is spooky accurate) but I wanted to see if I could get similar gains as I did with the 7.21 Sage over the 7mm Magnum using the 300 Win mag case.

7.21 Sage cartridge (Left)
.338 Winchester Magnum case (Center)
On the right is a .300 Win Mag case with a .338 230gr ELD-X, when fire formed it will have the same 35 degree shoulder and case taper as the 7.21 Sage on the Left.

I’m looking forward to load development.

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I’d like to see the results. What barrel length are you going to put that in?

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I have extremely limited experience with the 7 Practical...a friend is into long range shooting, has one, and invited me out.Had no trouble keeping them on a 24 inch plate at just over 1400 yards...my personal best. We were going to go to a mile, but the weather closed in on us. Fun stuff!


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In this day and age, I don’t know why one would choose a belted case for a wildcat when there are belt-less alternatives available.

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Pass the 7-08,the 180 ELD and hold the Fluff.

Hint..............


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I could really GAF about a big-assed 7 of any sort, or a .30 either,

...but that's really some sheep you have there! Major congrats on that one. Amazing.


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Pass the 7-08,the 180 ELD and hold the Fluff.

Hint..............


I may acquiesce yet.


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(5) rounds in the belly,killer brass abounds,barrels live forver and 2600fps is a breeze in a rather modest spout(21"). In my current atmosphere,it is supersonic to the 1765yd line.

Hint................


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Originally Posted by kingston
In this day and age, I don’t know why one would choose a belted case for a wildcat when there are belt-less alternatives available.


No flaming here.

ATST - What's to worry about in a 'belted' case?

I've been shooting them since the late 70s. When you learn to PFL size (like non belted cases) and DON'T attempt to headspace off the belt, you have very good case life.

I like long and slender VS short and FAT! I like the LOOKS of the 6mm Rem case better than the 243 case, et.al.

In over 40yrs of using belted cases I have not:

A. Caught the pox
B. Caught measles
C. Had hives
D. Had any STDs
E. Had ANY problems you can't encounter with beltless cases.

Now, if you like short actions, 1/2" shorter bolt throw, 1/2" shorter rifle length w/same barrel length, and 4 (FOUR) oz lighter weight
then you have all the advantages.

All of this stuff really boils down to Personal Preference. Just please yourself.

IF I listened to most things I've read here, I'd be changing Rifles, Cartridges, Powder, Bullets every week.

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Mechanical advantages,are not subjective...despite the volume/intensity of the Whine. Congratulations?!?

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REDUX

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Stupid ain't ever smart...no matter the bumper sticker.

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laugh laugh laugh

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Imagination and Pretend..."soothe" many. Congratulations?!?

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Originally Posted by smallfry
Originally Posted by SMACK
Out of complete curiosity and due to my addiction to tinkering and wildcat chambering. I decided to do the exact same 7.21 Sage concept but necked up to .338. Grant at JGS said my reamer should ship next week. I already have a factory Rem700 .338 Ultra and a Benchmark built .338 Edge (Which is spooky accurate) but I wanted to see if I could get similar gains as I did with the 7.21 Sage over the 7mm Magnum using the 300 Win mag case.

7.21 Sage cartridge (Left)
.338 Winchester Magnum case (Center)
On the right is a .300 Win Mag case with a .338 230gr ELD-X, when fire formed it will have the same 35 degree shoulder and case taper as the 7.21 Sage on the Left.

I’m looking forward to load development.

[Linked Image]

I’d like to see the results. What barrel length are you going to put that in?

Originally Posted by smallfry
Originally Posted by SMACK
Out of complete curiosity and due to my addiction to tinkering and wildcat chambering. I decided to do the exact same 7.21 Sage concept but necked up to .338. Grant at JGS said my reamer should ship next week. I already have a factory Rem700 .338 Ultra and a Benchmark built .338 Edge (Which is spooky accurate) but I wanted to see if I could get similar gains as I did with the 7.21 Sage over the 7mm Magnum using the 300 Win mag case.

7.21 Sage cartridge (Left)
.338 Winchester Magnum case (Center)
On the right is a .300 Win Mag case with a .338 230gr ELD-X, when fire formed it will have the same 35 degree shoulder and case taper as the 7.21 Sage on the Left.

I’m looking forward to load development.

[Linked Image]

I’d like to see the results. What barrel length are you going to put that in?


I’m still kicking it around. Bartlein 9.3 twist , #3, 29” blank. I’m leaning towards 26” but what does two more inches mean to 28” for a open country deer, Bear and elk rifle?


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
(5) rounds in the belly,killer brass abounds,barrels live forver and 2600fps is a breeze in a rather modest spout(21"). In my current atmosphere,it is supersonic to the 1765yd line.

Hint................


The 180gr ELD-M is a bad AZZ bullet.


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