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First, yes I do realize this is a ridiculous comparison.. A twenty dollar plastic handled factory boning knife versus a craftsman built beauty. Still.. If only for fun..
Shot a jake the other day. Decided to use both these knives to breast and remove thighs etc. Ingram 4L in S30V and the Victorinox Forschner 6" curved boning knife. Both new and unused. I had read on this forum rave-ups about the boning knife and was curious how they would compare.
What I found was the Ingram was an absolute pleasure to cut with. It required no work, no pushing/pulling. Meat effortlessly separated in front of it. Comfortable in my hand and perfectly balanced.
The Victorinox? Not so much. Now maybe mine was dull out of the box, I'm not sure. The curved back blade was not useful to me in this admittedly limited application. The knife required much more force from me to make the identical cuts as the Ingram. I will say though that I do appreciate a little flex in a blade when boning, so...
Maybe my next custom will be a semi flexible boning knife.
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Like comparing a savage axis to precision rifle built by a master gunsmith. Both will shoot, and savage axis usually shoot quite well, but not in the same league in many departments. Knives really are simple tools, put the right edge on a hardened and ground down chunk of lawnmower blade and it will perform a competent job of cutting, but it is not in the same league as a custom knife with good steel and heat treat put together by a master blade smith.
I’m not saying it was stupid to compare them in your post by the way, some would say a knife is a knife is a knife and have no love for customs. I build customs and love the lines on a well made knife, love the whole process, the skill one has to develop and the gratification of the end product. I don’t have the same love for custom rifles, I appreciate them but don’t have the same desire to own them. To each their own.
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you make a comparison.....and then say you don't know if the production knife was sharp?...…...apples to oranges....bob
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you make a comparison.....and then say you don't know if the production knife was sharp?...…...apples to oranges....bob
Yes Bob, I was suffering under the apparently unreasonable expectation that a knife should in fact be sharp. Won't happen again.
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First, yes I do realize this is a ridiculous comparison.. A twenty dollar plastic handled factory boning knife versus a craftsman built beauty. Still.. If only for fun..
Shot a jake the other day. Decided to use both these knives to breast and remove thighs etc. Ingram 4L in S30V and the Victorinox Forschner 6" curved boning knife. Both new and unused. I had read on this forum rave-ups about the boning knife and was curious how they would compare.
What I found was the Ingram was an absolute pleasure to cut with. It required no work, no pushing/pulling. Meat effortlessly separated in front of it. Comfortable in my hand and perfectly balanced.
The Victorinox? Not so much. Now maybe mine was dull out of the box, I'm not sure. The curved back blade was not useful to me in this admittedly limited application. The knife required much more force from me to make the identical cuts as the Ingram. I will say though that I do appreciate a little flex in a blade when boning, so...
Maybe my next custom will be a semi flexible boning knife. Vickeys are about $4 up here, make a great bait cuttin knife... that being said, I got Hank duping one for me, exact, with a deer/elk horn handle... should be a dandy as I like the design
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Likely my next move too, Judman
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Yes, you are correct about the comparison.
The Victorinox Forschner 6" curved boning knife is an industry standard for a boning table. Sharpen it first. If you want a tool that you can sharpen and keep sharp without a care about the cost, it is a commercial boning knife.
They are a throw-away item and intended to be sharpened daily by folks who use them for a full shift. You steel them to keep them going through the day. They sharpen to shaving hair with little effort for good reason.
If you want perfection in a knife for beauty and balance mirroring the ability of the craftsman who hand-made it--get a custom.
Customs also require sharpening with time...:)
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Longarm, this is the victornox I’m referring too, the parer... ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/hjztt66m/DF5-FAAFC-D187-4-A04-AAC4-831796450110.jpg)
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Looks like a very useful little blade. What steel and what thickness are you and Hank going for?
Looks like you are on your way towards an epic meal there
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Shiit I’ll have to ask him. I told him I want it exact, maybe a smidge thicker... ya fresh elk tenderloin ain’t bad!!! Grin
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Looks like we're reading off the same menu. Coupla nights ago.. Venison burgers with sautéed morels on top and antelope backstraps. Life is good ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/SsLFsx3Z/IMG-20190420-175936.jpg)
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Looks like 13c26 or nitro v abel is what hanks thinking. I trust him with what ever he decides...
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Looks like we're reading off the same menu. Coupla nights ago.. Venison burgers with sautéed morels on top and antelope backstraps. Life is good Nice think I got a couple packs of antelope left, wish those fuuckers were double the size!! Grin
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Or that I could draw a decent tag in my own state more often than once every decade and a half..
I'll be interested to hear your report on that blade. Both steels look promising
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Looks like 13c26 or nitro v abel is what hanks thinking. I trust him with what ever he decides... I've done a pile of little parers of various styles in AEB-L from .060ish stock full flat ground, less than .010 edge. Even up to HRC 61-62 they just keep on slicing. My wife recently used one to clean and de-vein hundreds of pounds of fresh shrimp in brackish water over a couple of days. There was zero corrosion, and even using only an inch or so of the blade the edge was till like a scalpel. PERFECT choice for this style knife IMO...
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Longarm, this is the victornox I’m referring too, the parer... Menefeee 12 ga is close....and oh so sweet. ![[Linked Image]](https://oi26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/huntsman22/guns/IMG_3459_zps4f5568aa.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://oi26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/huntsman22/guns/IMG_3622_zpscd82e484.jpg)
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Longarm, this is the victornox I’m referring too, the parer... Menefeee 12 ga is close....and oh so sweet. That is a very good knife for quartering out game.I'm thinking about getting one made.Just enough curve to get in those tight places.Just a great knife for people who know how to appreciate a knife made for the job.
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Looks like 13c26 or nitro v abel is what hanks thinking. I trust him with what ever he decides... I've done a pile of little parers of various styles in AEB-L from .060ish stock full flat ground, less than .010 edge. Even up to HRC 61-62 they just keep on slicing. My wife recently used one to clean and de-vein hundreds of pounds of fresh shrimp in brackish water over a couple of days. There was zero corrosion, and even using only an inch or so of the blade the edge was till like a scalpel. PERFECT choice for this style knife IMO... Good deal! Any pics of your parers?
Ping pong balls for the win.
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Look forward to seeing that one. Might have to “plagarize” that one. Vickeys are about $4 up here, make a great bait cuttin knife... that being said, I got Hank duping one for me, exact, with a deer/elk horn handle... should be a dandy as I like the design
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you make a comparison.....and then say you don't know if the production knife was sharp?...…...apples to oranges....bob
Yes Bob, I was suffering under the apparently unreasonable expectation that a knife should in fact be sharp. Won't happen again. Lemme know if you have any concerns when your package arrives.
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