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joshf303 - We do not show anyone contacting us with such an issue. Would you be willing to have the gentleman you know reach out to us (or provide us his contact details if you feel that would be OK) so we can get some samples back and we can investigate what may have caused the issues he experienced? You can call us at 660-827-6640 or email us at web  starlinebrass.com Thank you!
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The Starline 6.5 CM small primer pocket brass was delivered yesterday and I started prepping it this morning.
Before going into details I can summarize by saying this is really good brass, at least by my criteria. I've never weight sorted before so don't know if the variance shown here is good or mediocre, but I can say unequivocally that this batch of 50 cases is some of the most concentric stuff I've seen in 20 years of checking.
Cases were run in a Lee collet neck die to straighten the mouths but not chamfered or deburred yet. It does need those two steps but the outside mouth is already very smooth, even Lapua brass has a ridge around the outside of the mouth. That ridge on this brass was either very minimal or non-existent, they all felt very smooth to my fingernail.
Whatever mechanical means they use to create the flash holes leaves a nice squared off countersink inside the case. I almost never deburr inside the flash hole but if someone likes to do that there is no need for that step at all.
I weighed and measured a sample of 10, weight from lightest to heaviest was 160.2 grains to 161.8, a difference of 1.6 grains. Trim length on the 6.5 CM is 1.910, the longest of the sample of 10 was 1.911", shortest was 1.907". Raw data is below.
The really good news is the concentricity, or variance in neck wall thickness. I measured all 50 in this batch and not a single case went over .001". 16 of them were right at .001" but the rest were all between about .0003" to .0008", that's eyeballing the needle as it moved between individual tick marks on the dial indicator. That is concentric brass.
Raw data:
Weight of brass in grains: 161.2, 160.2, 161.8, 160.9, 161.5, 160.1, 161.7, 160.6, 161.8, 161.7.
Length in inches: 1.910, 1.908, 1.908, 1.911, 1.909, 1.907, 1.909, 1.907, 1.911, 1.907
I had previously bought 100 Hornady 6.5 CM cases and they are usable since only 6 out of 100 failed the concentricity standard of .001". I'll shoot those up but when they are done I'm getting more of this Starline brass. Maybe I just got an exceptional batch, sample of one here so I can't say for certain, but based on this test it's as good as Lapua for half the price. That's very good on all fronts. The person having misfires has a problem unrelated to the brass. Could be primers, seating, pin protrusion, etc.
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The Starline 6.5 CM small primer pocket brass was delivered yesterday and I started prepping it this morning.
Before going into details I can summarize by saying this is really good brass, at least by my criteria. I've never weight sorted before so don't know if the variance shown here is good or mediocre, but I can say unequivocally that this batch of 50 cases is some of the most concentric stuff I've seen in 20 years of checking.
Cases were run in a Lee collet neck die to straighten the mouths but not chamfered or deburred yet. It does need those two steps but the outside mouth is already very smooth, even Lapua brass has a ridge around the outside of the mouth. That ridge on this brass was either very minimal or non-existent, they all felt very smooth to my fingernail.
Whatever mechanical means they use to create the flash holes leaves a nice squared off countersink inside the case. I almost never deburr inside the flash hole but if someone likes to do that there is no need for that step at all.
I weighed and measured a sample of 10, weight from lightest to heaviest was 160.2 grains to 161.8, a difference of 1.6 grains. Trim length on the 6.5 CM is 1.910, the longest of the sample of 10 was 1.911", shortest was 1.907". Raw data is below.
The really good news is the concentricity, or variance in neck wall thickness. I measured all 50 in this batch and not a single case went over .001". 16 of them were right at .001" but the rest were all between about .0003" to .0008", that's eyeballing the needle as it moved between individual tick marks on the dial indicator. That is concentric brass.
Raw data:
Weight of brass in grains: 161.2, 160.2, 161.8, 160.9, 161.5, 160.1, 161.7, 160.6, 161.8, 161.7.
Length in inches: 1.910, 1.908, 1.908, 1.911, 1.909, 1.907, 1.909, 1.907, 1.911, 1.907
I had previously bought 100 Hornady 6.5 CM cases and they are usable since only 6 out of 100 failed the concentricity standard of .001". I'll shoot those up but when they are done I'm getting more of this Starline brass. Maybe I just got an exceptional batch, sample of one here so I can't say for certain, but based on this test it's as good as Lapua for half the price. That's very good on all fronts. The person having misfires has a problem unrelated to the brass. Could be primers, seating, pin protrusion, etc. Curious.... Is that why the other 80% loaded the same way, same primers, same bullets, same seating depth etc and 40 rounds of factory Hornady all went BANG?
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joshf303 - We do not show anyone contacting us with such an issue. Would you be willing to have the gentleman you know reach out to us (or provide us his contact details if you feel that would be OK) so we can get some samples back and we can investigate what may have caused the issues he experienced? You can call us at 660-827-6640 or email us at [email protected] Thank you! Looks like Starline stepped up to the plate with their first post on the 'fire. Interested to see them (or Josh) post the results of their investigation.
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One thing I am real careful about is making sure the primer is seated ALL the way in. If not the firing pin is pushing the primer in and not denting the cup.
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joshf303 - We do not show anyone contacting us with such an issue. Would you be willing to have the gentleman you know reach out to us (or provide us his contact details if you feel that would be OK) so we can get some samples back and we can investigate what may have caused the issues he experienced? You can call us at 660-827-6640 or email us at [email protected] Thank you! I missed this earlier.... Will do, I'll get with him.
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I watched a guy have 15-16 failure to fires this weekend running VIRGIN Starline brass. One string of 9 and the rest scattered throughout the day. He grabbed a couple boxes of factory Hornady off a buddy and never had another issue.
Sign me up...... And you trust that guys handloads? Ive had absolutely no problems with starline large rifle primer brass.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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joshf303 - We do not show anyone contacting us with such an issue. Would you be willing to have the gentleman you know reach out to us (or provide us his contact details if you feel that would be OK) so we can get some samples back and we can investigate what may have caused the issues he experienced? You can call us at 660-827-6640 or email us at [email protected] Thank you! If you are truly starline brass, i have to say i have been extremely impressed with your products. Especially the 6.5 creedmoor brass. Thats all i run in my creedmoor chambered rifles. Its been top notch. Thanks!!!!!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I watched a guy have 15-16 failure to fires this weekend running VIRGIN Starline brass. One string of 9 and the rest scattered throughout the day. He grabbed a couple boxes of factory Hornady off a buddy and never had another issue.
Sign me up...... And you trust that guys handloads? Ive had absolutely no problems with starline large rifle primer brass. Absolutely....or I wouldn't have brought it up.
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Stuff happens. I once got a batch of Lapua 308 brass with bad neck walls.
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Stuff happens. I once got a batch of Lapua 308 brass with bad neck walls. I agree, my first batch of Lapua 260 Rem was horrible the same way. Even the good companies can slip up.
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Thanks for the positive report Jim!
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Stuff happens. I once got a batch of Lapua 308 brass with bad neck walls. Absolutely. I once had a box of Remington Thunderbolts where every single round fired the first time! Before anyone calls BS, I have witnesses....
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Stuff happens. I once got a batch of Lapua 308 brass with bad neck walls. Absolutely. I once had a box of Remington Thunderbolts where every single round fired the first time! Before anyone calls BS, I have witnesses.... I must have gotten some from the same lucky lot number. Never had a problem.
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bsa1917hunter - It's really us! We appreciate your business! Thank you for choosing Starline Brass!
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No offense intended at all but you seem not to recognize facetious comments.
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bsa1917hunter - It's really us! We appreciate your business! Thank you for choosing Starline Brass! Awesome!! You guys have some excellent products. I am a believer and have been using the 6.5 creedmoor large rifle primer brass (title of the thread), since last year around the end of july. I've loaded some of this brass 6 times and it is not showing any signs of failure. Here's some of the first groups with the 250 pieces of starline brass I bought for this particular rifle. After I had a load somewhat dialed in for the new rifle. This was brand new brass, never even firefomed for this rifles chamber!: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/0V6FduU.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/bwOajzR.jpg) Accuracy improves after firing 1x, 2x, 3x etc... Good fireformed brass right here: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/6rgZE0B.jpg) Here's some of my most recent groups fired with 6x fired starline brass: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/J5P4Bo1.jpg) My Tikka 6.5 creedmoor loves the stuff too: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/TInieXz.jpg) This was 1x fired brass that was fireformed to the Tikka's chamber. The Tikka shows pretty good promise for a lightweight hunting rifle. I'll be buying more Starline rifle brass, as I have found it to be excellent stuff..... Thanks again for making such a great product!!!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Just got a box of 243s. Nice to see that headstamp on bottlenecks.
Now we need 280 AI.
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Just got a box of 243s. Nice to see that headstamp on bottlenecks.
Now we need 280 AI. Sounds like a a good plan. Hey Starline, glad to see you posting here, some good quality 270 Win brass would be appreciated too. Other than Norma there is mostly just the cheaper brands of brass out there so should be an opening for you guys to take advantage of.
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