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Here ya go ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/XJVfgqQs/7-D1731-A7-93-CF-49-DB-8924-9111-CBDD2653.png) Nice! You gonna get off the couch and dabble?
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Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
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Ain’t easy havin pals.
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What in the hell is that 7 SAW blade gonna do that the 7-08 won't other than them testing with a 40" barrel?
Half serious after I googled the SOB....grin....
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What in the hell is that 7 SAW blade gonna do that the 7-08 won't other than them testing with a 40" barrel?
Half serious after I googled the SOB....grin....
It's too much like a Creedmoor so the gains over the 7mm-08 must be huge 
Gerry.
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The Creed has advantages, does the SAW fit in a short mag with heavies?
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Wonder if anyone made the comment that for accuracy, 7mm past a certain MV would throw strange unexplained fliers at 1000 for David Tubb in his testing. Thats enough for me, I trust him on that.
That said for hunting, average mid range shots I doubt the mags throw enough fliers for average shooters to worry about.
7 wsm though had the 1 mile group record at one time. 284 win has some record, I forget which one. But its pretty slow. Though I did pick it for my mountain guns cartridge
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What in the hell is that 7 SAW blade gonna do that the 7-08 won't other than them testing with a 40" barrel?
Half serious after I googled the SOB....grin....
Haha I can't keep up anymore brother... Only reason I discovered it was Instagram!! 😁😁
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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The Creed has advantages, does the SAW fit in a short mag with heavies? Yes
Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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I understand that the bad rap for erratic pressure the 7 Rem Mag got was due to tight chambers from dull reamers trying to keep up with production demands. Where did you get that from? mathman, Mule Deer posted this in another thread, maybe what he thinking: Bob,
All pressure barrels used by SAAMI members are supposed to have chamber (and bore-groove) dimensions that meet SAAMI standards. In other words, I sincerely doubt the Nosler pressure barrel has an out-of-spec chamber throat.
I do know that for a few years after the 7mm Remington Magnum was introduced, demand for rifles was so high that some factory-rifle chambers varied considerably in dimensions, creating problems with SOME factory ammo.
I suspect the problem with your BAR (and others) might have been due to the factory using worn reamers, to keep up with demand. Unlike custom gunsmiths, factories use relatively inexpensive reamers that start out on the upper edge of SAAMI dimensions. As the reamers wear, they naturally cut smaller chambers. Factories normally quit using reamers when they wear to minimum SAAMI dimensions, but occasionally don't, for whatever reason. The neck dimensions can get pretty tight, especially with some brands of brass with thicker necks.
Brass that's been fired and resized a number of times also tends to develop "the dreaded donut" at the base of the neck, due to the thicker brass in the shoulder moving forward. This can cause pressure problems as well. I first ran into the donut back in 1974, when handloading for my first .243 Winchester, but it occurs in quite a few cartridges, especially when brass gets sized so the shoulder doesn't firmly contact the front of the chamber--common in belted cases.
None of this needs my corroboration, but I have had pressure issues with the 7 Rem Mag several times. My 7 Wby's have never given me any such troubles. They have been the only long range shooter I have ever needed.
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Is there a difference between “accuracy” and “hitting-schitt-ability”?
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Is there a difference between “accuracy” and “hitting-schitt-ability”? Yep, for sure. One is the gun, the other is the shooter. No secrets out there past that.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Is there a difference between “accuracy” and “hitting-schitt-ability”? Yep, for sure. One is the gun, the other is the shooter. No secrets out there past that. Pretty sure projectile efficiency and recoil figure into the hitting-schitt-ability.... and have nothing to do with accuracy. But, that’s just my experience....
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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Is there a difference between “accuracy” and “hitting-schitt-ability”? Yep, for sure. One is the gun, the other is the shooter. No secrets out there past that. Pretty sure projectile efficiency and recoil figure into the hitting-schitt-ability.... and have nothing to do with accuracy. But, that’s just my experience.... You mean if I dump 8 grand on a “system” my hitting schitt ability can still suck as much as I do? What if I wear a flat billed cap, carry a selfie stick, and have 37 sponsors...
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- Greg
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Is there a difference between “accuracy” and “hitting-schitt-ability”? Yep, for sure. One is the gun, the other is the shooter. No secrets out there past that. Pretty sure projectile efficiency and recoil figure into the hitting-schitt-ability.... and have nothing to do with accuracy. But, that’s just my experience.... Well I guess you got me there, I thought we had assumed high BC, decent velocity, manageable recoil, but maybe not. LOL. Though recoil, depending people and number of shots, really isn't that big a deal for a shot in the field IMHO. I've hit as well at longer ranges with mags as with smaller rounds. As long as the brain can overcome. I will say that heavy recoil tends to demand a perfect NPA, but one should really have that to start with too.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Is there a difference between “accuracy” and “hitting-schitt-ability”? Yep, for sure. One is the gun, the other is the shooter. No secrets out there past that. Pretty sure projectile efficiency and recoil figure into the hitting-schitt-ability.... and have nothing to do with accuracy. But, that’s just my experience.... You mean if I dump 8 grand on a “system” my hitting schitt ability can still suck as much as I do? What if I wear a flat billed cap, carry a selfie stick, and have 37 sponsors... Hell if I know.... I’m still looking for some .243AI Data...
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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You mean if I dump 8 grand on a “system” my hitting schitt ability can still suck as much as I do? What if I wear a flat billed cap, carry a selfie stick, and have 37 sponsors...
Laffin..........
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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Systems are the way to go! Just ask the dudes trying to sell them used-as new for $8 grand. Must’ve worked for them. 😎
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The only way I’m buying a “system”.... is if it comes with a guy to retrieve my game for me.... so I can get my pics, wearing my flat-brim, and all my sponsors’ gear scattered about like it’s a yard sale. Now.... where the hell is my Mtn. Ops?
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Is there a difference between “accuracy” and “hitting-schitt-ability”? Yep, for sure. One is the gun, the other is the shooter. No secrets out there past that. Pretty sure projectile efficiency and recoil figure into the hitting-schitt-ability.... and have nothing to do with accuracy. But, that’s just my experience.... You mean if I dump 8 grand on a “system” my hitting schitt ability can still suck as much as I do? What if I wear a flat billed cap, carry a selfie stick, and have 37 sponsors... Hell if I know.... I’m still looking for some .243AI Data... Good luck on your quest man.... that one [bleep] ALOT of people up.
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