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Originally Posted by ChetAF
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I used to think a hunter needed a 7 mag to kill deer, until I saw my granddaughter slay deer and pigs with a .243 Winchester. She was making the same shots, laying them out right where they stood. That opened my eyes to the smaller cartridges. I became interested in the 25-06’s, 270’s, etc. They kill as well as 7 mag with less recoil.

Kids seem to knock down WT's and pigs on a regular basis with the .223.

For some reason it's not an adequate "adult" round...

Strange...

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The older I get, I have noticed two major truisms when it comes to hunting rifles:

1. Grown men need larger cartridges to kill game than women and children.

2. Grown men need lighter rifles to kill game than women and children.



That is a fact, granddaughter has a heavy Vanguard, she weighs a whole 110 lbs. She like the weight of it.

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Originally Posted by ChetAF


The older I get, I have noticed two major truisms when it comes to hunting rifles:

1. Grown men need larger cartridges to kill game than women and children.

2. Grown men need lighter rifles to kill game than women and children.




Why are "grown men" killing women and children?

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Originally Posted by David_Walter
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The older I get, I have noticed two major truisms when it comes to hunting rifles:

1. Grown men need larger cartridges to kill game than women and children.

2. Grown men need lighter rifles to kill game than women and children.




Why are "grown men" killing women and children?

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kinda like "front shoulders" grin

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Originally Posted by jwall
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Originally Posted by ChetAF


The older I get, I have noticed two major truisms when it comes to hunting rifles:

1. Grown men need larger cartridges to kill game than women and children.

2. Grown men need lighter rifles to kill game than women and children.




Why are "grown men" killing women and children?

laugh laugh laugh





kinda like "front shoulders" grin

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Y'all messin with ChetAF... grin

He's made a couple of good observations.

Are kids and ladies that much better marksmen than guys?

They kill critters grave yard dead with lighter ordinance, while some guys ruminate over KE, knock down power, penetration, group size, B.C., etc.

While the kids and ladies put more and more meat in the freezer...

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I need a custom rifle and handloads....my kid a $300 RAR.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer

Y'all messin with ChetAF... grin

He's made a couple of good observations.

Are kids and ladies that much better marksmen than guys?

They kill critters grave yard dead with lighter ordinance, while some guys ruminate over KE, knock down power, penetration, group size, B.C., etc.

While the kids and ladies put more and more meat in the freezer...
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Of Course we are ! grin

WE, all of us, say what we 'intend' but at times how we say it implies something else ! eg. front shoulders. laugh

Now to Chet's point, I know and agree that WT and deer in general & pigs etc. die readily with a well placed bullet from lesser
cartridges than some of us want/use.

For MYSELF, I prefer FAST FLAT & HARD bullet delivery >>> for flat trajectory which MAKES bullet placement easier at distance.

DF, this is NOT directed at you. It doesn't matter to me what ANYONE else shoots >> WHY does it bother some WHAT I shoot ? confused

I'm glad we have the freedom and liberty to own, hunt, shoot what we WANT to use !!

If I continue I'll be in a RANT, so I'll just stop there.


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Originally Posted by David_Walter
Originally Posted by ChetAF


The older I get, I have noticed two major truisms when it comes to hunting rifles:

1. Grown men need larger cartridges to kill game than women and children.

2. Grown men need lighter rifles to kill game than women and children.




Why are "grown men" killing women and children?



Exactly. Everybody knows it's "grown-ass men."



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This is one tough crowd! grin

In all seriousness though, I once had a Remington Custom Shop Alaska Wilderness Rifle. It was back when they had a custom shop barreled action with Teflon coating and a McMillan stock. I killed a sheep and a couple of grizzlies with it, then decided I needed something lighter, because it was too heavy for me at 6' 1" and 190 pounds. Posted it for sale in Alaska and a 5' 6" 130 pound woman bought it. She has used it to kill all manner of beasts ever since.

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I think I’m going to get out my 270’s and fondle them!!!

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Boddington did a great job with rewriting about the old super cartridge 270 Winchester ,just look at the replies on this post plus reads just on this 24 hr campfire. Boddington sure got the campfire stirred up with negative and positive replies. i would say yes Boddington did do a great job !


And maybe that was his main goal all along. smile

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Originally Posted by ChetAF
This is one tough crowd! grin



It's amazing what you can do it you don't know any better.


From about 1973 into the late 80's. I used a stock Rem 700 BDL 270 topped with a 3x9 Redfield Widefield using mostly 130 gr Parttions pushed by a case full of WW785 ($24 for an 8# keg). I took that rifle on a wide variety of shoestring budget hunts around the country for a lot of big game. It never failed to get the job done.
I didn't know any better.


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Chet,

Years ago Eileen had the opportunity to ask a fairly well-known gun writer a pointed question. He was of the generation of rifle loonies that tended to believe in the O'Connor or Keith school, and was definitely a Keithian. He lived in the metropolitan East but often hunted in Montana, usually with a friend of ours,where we'd often join them. He usually brought a .338 Winchester Magnum or .340 Weatherby Magnum.

One year he asked me, "John, will a .270 Winchester really kill an elk?"

Eileen snorted, possibly because a little of the glass of wine she was drinking got up her nose. She'd not only killed several elk with the .270, but a bull moose, so asked, "Why do men need larger cartridges than women do to kill the same animals?"

He also once asked me if a .243 will actually kill mule deer, despite the fact that the wife on an outfitter he sometimes hunted with had killed a bunch of deer (both mule and whitetails) with her .243.


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Women and kid rifles are certainly effective.

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Originally Posted by fishdog52


From about 1973 into the late 80's. I used a stock Rem 700 BDL 270 topped with a 3x9 Redfield Widefield using mostly 130 gr Parttions pushed by a case full of WW785 ($24 for an 8# keg). I took that rifle on a wide variety of shoestring budget hunts around the country for a lot of big game. It never failed to get the job done.
I didn't know any better.


Here too Fish.

THE BEST looking rifle I've ever owned was a S-W 1500 (aka Howa) in 270 W had a 'scrumptious' Walnut stock --- cool
our own 'WHITEBIRD" has a Custom 6.5-06 with a VERY similar stock --
The VERY FIRST time I laid eyes on this pic --- my mind went to my S W , 270 -- NOT identical but similar:!!

>> Here's whitebird's 6.5-06 >>>> on P 72 in Thread "Let's See Some Big Bucks -- BobinNH started !


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I hunted it in N Ark., La., Miss, & Al.. I 'ruined' myself by getting a Ruger 77 UL, then a Win 70 XTR FTWT.

The S-W then BECAME so heavy that I moved it. cry


*!*! I just remembered who has that rifle -- I'll try to get it back *!*! grin

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Jerry,

My present .270 has pretty nice wood too--but nice wood does weigh more. This rifle went eight pounds with scope when I took its first big game animal, a "cull" mule deer with it in eastern Montana.

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Yes, Indeed MD that's sweet.

My S-W had a gloss finish & Monte Carlo and don't remember if it had a cheek piece or not.
I've looked thru a bunch of OLD paper pix and can't find one of it. frown


JRS had an article entitled, "Little Misses I've Known" grin --> about rifles.
That is one of mine.


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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by fishdog52


From about 1973 into the late 80's. I used a stock Rem 700 BDL 270 topped with a 3x9 Redfield Widefield using mostly 130 gr Parttions pushed by a case full of WW785 ($24 for an 8# keg). I took that rifle on a wide variety of shoestring budget hunts around the country for a lot of big game. It never failed to get the job done.
I didn't know any better.


Here too Fish.

THE BEST looking rifle I've ever owned was a S-W 1500 (aka Howa) in 270 W had a 'scrumptious' Walnut stock --- cool
our own 'WHITEBIRD" has a Custom 6.5-06 with a VERY similar stock --
The VERY FIRST time I laid eyes on this pic --- my mind went to my S W , 270 -- NOT identical but similar:!!

>> Here's whitebird's 6.5-06 >>>> on P 72 in Thread "Let's See Some Big Bucks -- BobinNH started !


[Linked Image]


I hunted it in N Ark., La., Miss, & Al.. I 'ruined' myself by getting a Ruger 77 UL, then a Win 70 XTR FTWT.

The S-W then BECAME so heavy that I moved it. cry


*!*! I just remembered who has that rifle -- I'll try to get it back *!*! grin

Jerry


Jerry,
If I saw a rifle like that for sale I probably wouldn't care what the chambering was. I have bought rifles before based on judging by "the cover only, without reading the content" and found it can be a sound practice as their isn't much else that cannot be fixed. My only criteria is no short actions. Never, ever.
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YES and actually I can quote from that thread that I told 'Whitebird', it didn't matter the caliber/cartridge that I'd buy it. TOO.
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We are a LOONY bunch!!

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer

But then, the longer I hunt, the less difference I see in "killing power" between most cartridges.



Same here. When a hit from a little ol' 6mm Rem or 243 Win produces instant death on a chest-shot mule deer... It's hard to imagine improvement from some other cartridge. We all likely have our favorite cartridges. I've never had a 270 Win, but respect it tremendously as a general purpose hunting cartridge.

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Originally Posted by jwall

My S-W had a gloss finish & Monte Carlo and don't remember if it had a cheek piece or not.
I've looked thru a bunch of OLD paper pix and can't find one of it. frown

Jerry


ADDENDUM - I just found 1 old pic from 1983 of myself with the S-W and a coyote I'd killed with it.
The pic itself is MORE of the yote than the rifle. Snow was on the ground, I had a mustache and long hair.
I don't know how well it might copy/paste to imgur---- might not be worth the effort.

The rifle DID have a M C and Cheek piece. I'm still looking for a better pic

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