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Neveroutside,

Pardon facts,upsetting you so.

Hint............

Long actions should have a 4" mag box, the SA is good at 3", the micro should be about 2.6". They seem to be getting a lot of the twists right except the 30 cals should be 9 twist.

Why can no rifle manufacture get twist and mag box right? It's anoying as hell. It reminds me of all the years scope manufacturers did mil reticles with Moa knobs. Or crappy hold over reticals set to random distances based on one crappy factory round and no hash marks for windage.

Seriously, does anyone who works in this industry ever shoot or talk to people that do. Frustrates me to no end especially because I was a marketing director in a different industry for 14 years. You've got to have your ears open and listen to those at the for front of your industry.

Then you've got guys like hornady coming out with new things like the 6.5 PRC and 300 PRC and setting the standard length for those rounds just a bit longer than pretty much every action currently out there.

Even the 6.5 creedmoor missed things in a way. They boasted about its shorter length fitting better then made the freebore a long .199" so to kiss with a vld you needed about a 2.9" mag box when a 700 SA is about 2.83. Creedmoor should have had a standard freebore of about .120" but they were worried about pressure so they made their accuracy round so that most rifles will have to suffer a jump.

Seriously, if a company hired a marketing guy that really understood a few things they could dominate. I know the problem is most shooters don't really know crap either but a good marketer would build things right and then educate the masses as to why it's right.

Bb

"Micro action with a 2.436 mag length"

Not sure how I missed this. That may be a deal killer for a 223 AI or even for a 223 with bullet weights that the fast twist accommodates. 223AI with 75 Gr. Amax really needs at least 2.5" COL. It may be worth a try if the 2.4" COL allows you to reach lands.

Maybe they're thinking about one of the others long-term, like the .22 Grendel, Nosler, or Valkyrie.

Or, they want to optimize it for factory ammo, with just a bit of extra room, not the stuff a few persnickety shooters do. Everything's a compromise of sorts, especially for a 50year-old cartridge.

Right. I guess we'll see when we see. My understanding is that a 223 is planned from the get-go. Maybe the mag length will be better for others. Time will tell.

Not in the market, as I have a perfectly good .223 (and .30/06) like every good American should, but have something else if I ever want to go really long. Would like to see one though, even though that could be hazardous to my wallet.

They should have built the 223 FC on the current action, my Montana works slick as goose chit with a simple mag spacer in a 2.8" box...

ZING......

Dumbass move on Barrett's part.

Just in time for Kimber to discontinue the .223 Montucky.

Well, if I ever get a FC it'll be a short action in 6.5 or 7-08.

Very unfortunate.

I’m sure you are all right. I guess it depends on what you wanna do with it. The Fieldcrafts I’ve laid hands on and shot were all -around excellent guns.

I think the SA Fieldcrafts are gems. Not sure why they can't build a 223 and maybe a 223AI (and a 6x45) on a standard SA with a 223 boltface. That would sell like hotcakes if twisted right. And they have a history of twisting it right on the SA's.

Maybe the rumors are a sick joke......................

That would certainly work just fine since the SA is already light and handy enough for me, and it'd eliminate the mag issue.

Of course, they'd still have to throat it "right", and that's the question, because not everyone wants or needs long heavy bullets from a .223. Might be better to offer a bigger .22, say a Creedmoor, for those guys, and a more mainstream .223 for the rest of us.

The longer mag box cures most ills just with the flexibility it gives. There's not a need to throat it different for long bullets than they would for short bullets. I'm a fan of short throats for long or short bullets if I'm reloading.

I've been looking for the 22 CM on their standard short action and like that idea.

Akin to a Nuzzler Rifle.

Hint...…………………..

Tennessee, what’s the story? Is there a 223 or not? Mag length for the twist or not?

Berger 80g VLD average COAL to kiss in two rifles is 2.408”

Mag box is 2.436”

So with that bullet you can load to kiss with room to spare in the mag and even some to spare for future throat erosion.

I personally would not load to make contact with the bullet. When the chamber is precise and the throat is tight, I get great results with a little jump. Assuming the load has the best powder, density, primer to make consistent pressure and low velocity SD....

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