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It had better be or there is no hope for our species.

You got that right.

So tell me, what about gays, abortionists, paedophiles, socialists...and other such. Does the same extend to their beliefs, or can we fervently detest what they stand for if we feel the desire.

Yes. Ricky is right. One does not need an intermediary.

What about the blanket statement that Liberalism is a mental disorder?

That’s totally different...

Okay....so to further factionize us......

to me you are basically repeating what i said, that there are many different versions of catholicism, roman is only one.
and i also call myself a small c catholic for another reason, that is the meaning universal.
which covers a lot of the protestant groups.
few years ago i attended services for a jewish friend of mine, first time ever in a temple. They said kaddish, which i had heard in hebrew many times. This time i heard it in english. I was going wait a minute, that is the same as the catholic prayer for the dead. Then i realized who stole what from whom.
I don't put much into somebody trying to tell me the right way. You are either christian in some form or you are not. The not's are mostly shown by that dog cult called islam.
I know pretty much from a young age all the sins of the roman catholic church. I also knew a lot of really good people, like the nuns who mostly educated me.
but all groups have their issues, it's called humanity.
I think the pope only declared himself infallable on church doctrine in the 1800's. I don't believe in that either.

Jesus Christ is in Heaven at this very moment pleading fervently for you and me. He is our intermediary.

If mortal sinning men could be, there would have been no need for him.

This ^^^^. NH saying God does not forgive is blasphemy.

1 John 1:9 if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Taking no side one way or the other but isn't it great that people can express their view toward the Pope or Catholics without being labeled "catholicphobes" or "Papists". Imagine the backlash if someone said these things about some Imam, a female leader or a minority.

Now where did I say that? Of course only God forgives sin. The offense is against Him. Say someone commits an offense against you. Can I forgive him? If I tried it would be meaningless.

The Lord said the Bible is the word of God. God said men are liars. The pope is a man and he is a liar. All us men are liars.

He is not a liar. Thats why we are directed to study, learn, know and live by the scripture. Jesus lived by the sctipture. He took his teaching from the scripture, not some scripture and men. He studied scripture and taught it to men that they could learn the good news and be saved.

Its sad to realize many of our brother believers think a preacher can suffice for the word because the word in scripture is Christ teaching us. Thats how we get to Him, not by listening to some men who are....you guessed it- liars.

It, Gods word, tells us no one comes to the Father except by him (Christ). God didnt say we get to him by a man or Christ and a man. The man, pope or priest or pastor cant get to Him except by Christ. Christ is our intercessor, not Christ and a mortal sinner, but teaching that idea can be used to enhance the take in the plate.

God gave us the word and the word is Jesus and the word is the way, the truth and the life, not the word and a pastor.

God forgives through our intercessor described in the Bible, Jesus Christ.

Sorry, NH, i thought i saw where you posted that God did not forgive sin without a priest.

This is BS and blasphemy. It directly contradicts Gods message in the Bible that is given us to direct out actions and

beliefs: "Another misconception. God forgives sins. He does that through the priest.".

God forgives sin. He does that through the sacrifice and cleansing blood Christ suffered and shed for us if we avail ourselves of it by asking forgiveness.

I know youve had false doctrine fed to you for ages, but read Gods word and ask him to open your eyes.

Hey, if you ask him to open your eyes its up to Him to do so, otherwise you are in the same boat as a kid who grew up in Iran every day being indoctrinated into believing you are blessed if you kill a Jew. You both believe and you both believe WRONG because you believe what youve been taught by lying men, not Him.

"I know youve had false doctrine fed to you for ages"

And after praying to Him over it for decades I'm sure I haven't.

But I'm still puzzling over:

In the Bible the Lord said the Bible is the word of God
The Bible was written by men
God said men are liars.

Huh? Doesn't that mean the first statement is a lie?

Well, the entire message was relayed to you by a man and men are............

They were directed by Him and put down His message to us.

When you have several of them saying essentially the same thing there is evidrnce they were giving us His message as proof the Bible was His inspired word.

Then when you have some sucker saying dont build walls when he lives behind one or when He said to arm yourself and the man says get rid of your arms or when He says call no one father and the man says call me father, and when He says dont bring the heathen into your country i gave you and the man says have open borders and let all in then even the dumbasses are expected to get a clue.

When the man says He talks to me while He gave an incorrect message to you in the bible so you can listen to me instead of the bible He may expect you to get a clue.

Come on, defend His Word and not his word. He told you to take care you dont worship the unholy one.

How are you supposed to know the usurper, the pretender who comes in His name? You know by applying the Word in Scripture.

” 4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.…

17Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching ( What teaching- the teaching in the Bible, the teaching of His word) you have learned. Turn away from them. 18For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive (and tell them they are saved?)19Everyone has heard about your obedience( to what,?His wordvor a mans word, cause they arent the same).,, so I rejoice over you. But I want you to be wise about what is good and innocent and what is evil.…

LEARN THE WORD AND DEFEND IT, NOT THE SINNER WHO BENT IT.

He's right about his views on the Catholic religion, rules, and hierarchy. FOS about everything else.

Hes FOS about what HE said, too.

Didnt he just lately give out the word, turn in pedophile sex abuse to the pope, not the popo?

https://www.france24.com/en/20190515-us-catholic-abuse-victims-sue-vatican-name-predatory-priests

If that were your assertion as a Roman Catholic it’d prove too much. Logically it would mean that your other authoritative source of revelation, Church tradition, is identically flawed.

This would leave you in the position of post modern followers of Schleiermacher who essentially gutted what we’d call historic Christianity (ie Christ’s power to save effectually) and left behind moralisms and worship with forms emptied of their substance. Ie the dead end of all relativistic roads, nihilism.

The Bible as we have it now was not around in Jesus's time, as far as I know, so how could Jesus say that the Bible is the word of God? Also, I thought it was Paul who said it, not Jesus , but it's been a while since I've read it so could be mistaken.