I have 12 new mb 650 with outside laminations. 6 also have jc conner shocksprings. All traps are new and have been waxed. 6 with jc conner shock springs are 16.00 apiece and 6 without are 15.00 apiece. all traps plus shipping. I belive I can get all 12 in a tall large flat rate for 20.00