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Tex, the factory loads are very mild, as is a 286 grain over 58 grains of reloader 15. Work up a full power 300 grain load using Alliant 2000mr. I top out at 64 grains of powder. At this level, the recoil is far more than a 30-06, you'll notice it.
Yukon, one thing about the common sense, 9.3 mauser:
It's the original bolt action dangerous game rifle. It's older than the first bolt action 30-06 and every cartridge based off the 30-06. That means: it's not a rip off or a knock off.
It's the grand daddy. In the beginning, it never became a German export to the United States or Canada. It became a German export to Africa and Scandinavia. John Moses Browning ruled the north country back then.
I just saw a massive grizzly on Friday night, nose to a 50 mph wind (probably running down moose calves. He looked like a cow moose with shorter legs and a bigger head. Dark brown legs, a hint of blonde guard hairs along the shoulders and neck. He left a high-bank of the Gulkana River. As I took after him, taking advantage of the noisey black spruce, the 9.3 felt right at home in my hand. He left one ft deep impressions in the moss. As the woods got tight and I lost his track, I actually took the scope off the rifle........ mainer, you're a bad influence on guys like me ! I hadn't really paid much attention to the 9.3 until I read one of your posts on AO about the round. I didnt know the Gulkana was your neck of the woods. Seems like we crossed the Gulkana River a week or so back. We went down to Kasilof and picked up a bear dog. Yukon, I'm all over the state. Was up in Northwest Arctic working in all the region's villages and hunting/fishing/training the dog team around the area. Now that the snow pack is gone, I'm back full time in my boat shop in Delta Junction. By late August, it'll slow down, and off into the woods I go.
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I have had and am again making up a LH Zastava in 9.3x62. It is a highly useful caliber for general purpose hunting. What did the late Bob Boatman say? The 3006 was designed to kill small men while the 9.3x62 was designed to kill big animals. It's also very pleasant to shoot. I strongly recommend you reach out to Gentry and get a LH 3 pos safety. I would like to put a 3 position safety on it. What happens to the original safety when the switch is made? Is it just removed? I just had Jim Kobe (JKOB) build a custom LH 6.5x55 for me starting with a LH Zastava action. I went the route of using a Timney Mauser trigger w/o a safety. And then had Jim Kobe fit a Gentry LH 3 position safety to the rifle. He did an excellent job. Operates smoothly with minimal effort. No issues or glitches. While Gentry is the most common LH 3 position safety, I "think" Jim Wisner may be working on a LH 3 position safety for Mausers as well. Not sure if he is "production mode" yet ?
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Sure thing a 150 or 165 load out of a 30-06 at 500 yards is quite the same as a 250 gr 9.3. Dream on. Rossimp, I suggest that you look at the trajectory of the 232 grain spitzer vs. the 150 grain .308 caliber bullet & SEE which one hits HARDER at 500M. = Compare apples to apples, instead of bananas to oranges. yours, tex
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Again, sure the 9.3 is a big hitter, but shoots no where near as flat in open country as the 30-06 with 150 and 165 loads for sheep, goat, antelope, mule deer, etc. that is what my initial comment was stipulating in the comparison. If you’re trying to tell me the 9.3x62 is as easy to utilize at 500 yards on those game with a 232 grain load (lucky to break 2,600 fps with an easy carry 22-inch barrel) than a 30-06 (with 22-inch barrel) with the lighter bullet loadings that would mean the 9.3 shoots flatter than the 338 Win Mag with 225 grain loads, again dream on. Could it be used at that distance, yeah, but it still doesn’t make it near as versatile in open country as the 06, which was my initial point.
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Why is it the “excessive drop” applies only to the 9.3? Aren’t we allowed to use dots or turrets on it as well?
My M70 9.3X62 (22 1/2” barrel) wears an FX-II 6X36 with LR reticle. It works pretty well.
In my rifle both the 250 Accubond at 2650 fps and the 286 NP at 2475 fps have the same point-of-impact at 100 yards, and are zeroed to be 2 1/2" high at that range. The zero is roughly 225 yards.
With that zero, they are never more than 3" above line of sight. With the 250AB the dots are on at 300 and 375 yards,the post at 475. With the 286NP the dots are on at 275 and 350 yards, the post at 425.
How exactly is that setup helpless at 500 yards?
FWIW my 30-06 wears the same scope. One is as easy to hit with at 500 as the other.
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Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
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So which one would you grab for sheep, goat or antelope and why?
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They both get carried. Grizzlies are normally found on the trails leading up to the alpine, a lot more than in the alpine. For those walks, and for soothing me in a tent at night, I prefer the 9.3X62. And living in BC I get to do that annually.
It weighs 7 pounds 8 oz, only 3 oz more than the 30-06 (old M70 Fwt in a Brown Kevlar stock) so one is as easy to carry as the other.
For antelope, not that I have hunted them much, I would be more likely to take a 243AI or 280. But the 9.3 is beyond proven to 500 yards.
Check the ballistic coefficient of that 9.3 Accubond, and run some numbers for yourself. It is impressive.
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Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
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They both get carried. Grizzlies are normally found on the trails leading up to the alpine, a lot more than in the alpine. For those walks, and for soothing me in a tent at night, I prefer the 9.3X62. And living in BC I get to do that annually.
It weighs 7 pounds 8 oz, only 3 oz more than the 30-06 (old M70 Fwt in a Brown Kevlar stock) so one is as easy to carry as the other.
For antelope, not that I have hunted them much, I would be more likely to take a 243AI or 280. But the 9.3 is beyond proven to 500 yards.
Check the ballistic coefficient of that 9.3 Accubond, and run some numbers for yourself. It is impressive. That 9.3 is a great idea down your way. You guys have more bears than we do, and now that they are not being hunted, human/bear conflicts are already up. Sounds like a nice rifle.
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Rossimp,
Actually NEITHER. = My "usually reached for rifle" is my treasured 1954 Model 760 in .300SAV, as it shoots beautifully & will make a single, ragged, 5-shot hole in the target at 200M (IF I do my part) IF I'm in a place where I can SEE an animal at that range, using my 150 grain handloads.
Other than an "old-school"/"garage sale" Redfield scope/mount/rings, a good sling & a 40-buck "trigger job" by a smith in PA, it's just as it left the factory. = I trust it to do the job, IF I do my part even acceptably.
(I have about 300.oo total in the whole rig.)
Otoh, IF the game animal is over 200KG, it's one of my 3 Model 760 rifles in .30-06 OR the 9.3x62mm that I reflexively reach for. - For BIG/tough game, it's the 9.3x62mm with the 286 JHP/solid, without doubt.
IF I still had a good 760 in .270, that would also be adequate for sheep/goats/deer, too.
yours, tex
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They both get carried. Grizzlies are normally found on the trails leading up to the alpine, a lot more than in the alpine. For those walks, and for soothing me in a tent at night, I prefer the 9.3X62. And living in BC I get to do that annually.
It weighs 7 pounds 8 oz, only 3 oz more than the 30-06 (old M70 Fwt in a Brown Kevlar stock) so one is as easy to carry as the other.
For antelope, not that I have hunted them much, I would be more likely to take a 243AI or 280. But the 9.3 is beyond proven to 500 yards.
Check the ballistic coefficient of that 9.3 Accubond, and run some numbers for yourself. It is impressive. That's exactly why I carry my 35 Whelen a lot, it is under 7 1/2 lbs all loaded up and has a bit of bullet size when it comes to the grizzlies here. I even got my stone ram with my old Whelen which worked fine. Your 9.3x62 with those 250 gr Accubond's would work at least as good and has some size for bears when needed.
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To each his own, but for me the 06' with 200 grain partitions traveling at 2600 fps is a formidable package, and I can do a better job of hitting what I'm aiming for when I don't exceed that amount of recoil.
I've seen people shoot much bigger rounds with the same ease and demonstrate good marksmanship, but the normal guy starts developing some bad habits. (as I would)
So the ought-six is my logical "big rifle".
My step down rifles are a model 94 win 30-30, and a 6.5x55 swede.
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I am partial to my 308 Win for majority of game. I acknowledge there are a multitude of chambers that do an exceptional job in the field. Beside the 308 Win I enjoy shooting the 7mm Rem Mag for antelope and mule deer. Most elk hunts have been with 338 Win Mag and 444 Marlin, taken a couple with the 308 Win as well. Would like a 20-inch scout setup in 9.3 or 375 Steyr, or possibly 375 Ruger. Take care.
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Of the last 6 animals I've taken over the past two seasons with a 9.3 carbine(5 caribou 1 moose), three of the shots were longer shots than my typical. I'm primarily a heavy woods and rivers hunter. But the last two seasons of hunting by dog team or canoe, it's been in very windy, open territory:
385 yds, Caribou, CZ open sights, 286 grain PRVI handload
400 yds, Caribou, 1.5-5 Leupold, 300 grain A-Frame handload
500 yds, Bull Moose, 1.5-5 Leupold 300 grain A-Frame handload
I don't get all hopped up on theoretical thinking out loud, ballistic coefficient, velocity, and bulky magnification.
Basic carbine rifle designed for big game or dangerous game. Open sights. Basic scope designed for the majority of situations, in QR rings for the close in situations. Scratches, rust, dents, missing blueing. Food cache always full, no grizzly bites in the rifle, or my flesh.
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mainer_in_ak,
Have you tried hunting with the 232 or 250 grain bullets in your handloads??
(IF I reach for my 9.3x62mm rifle for hunting, it is always loaded with 286 JHP at about 2300FPS.)
As I said earlier, my "go to rifle" for most Texas hunting is a Remington Model 760 in .300SAV & almost always loaded with my 150 grain Speer JHP handloads at about 2600FPS, using 40 grains of Varget.
yours, tex
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Tex, I've no experience with any of the lighter bullets.
I've only used 286 partition, 286 PRVI and the 300 grain A-frame here in Alaska.
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mainer_in_ak,
Fwiw, I use NOTHING except 286 grain ammo in mine. = PRVI PARTIZAN or a very similar handload.
Fyi, I was just curious IF you had tried the faster/lighter loads & IF you had if you had had a GOOD/MEDIOCORE/BAD experience with those loads.
yours, tex
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My late FIL loaded up some 250 NABs in his CZ 550 9.3x62 for an Oryx hunt on the White Sands Missile Range in NM in 2010. The bullets did not exit FWIW on thoracic cavity shots. I have about 500 285 PRVI bullets for shooting and a few hundred 286 NPTs for hunting. I am a big fan of the NP at moderate velocity.
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bluefish,
THANKS for the info. ------- Most of my currently handloaded ammo for 9.3x62mm are my homebrew 285 grain GCCB, made from wheel-weights & in front of 38 grains of Varget.
The CBs work FINE for deer/feral hogs at about 2100FPS out well past the range that you can actually SEE game animals on our family's farm & deer lease. = Fwiw, I'm too CHEAP to use factory ammo for WT/Axis & hogs in the brush where we normally hunt.
yours, tex
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300 grain A-frame @ 2400 fps muzzle velocity, 42" Racked bull moose: 500 yds, shooting down hill, quartering away. Wet hide. Entry: Bullet hit low behind right shoulder at about 1500 fps. Bullet expanded immediately upon impact with the wet hide. Busted through the top of the brisket, diagonally. Because of the length of the shot combined with the shooting down hill, bullet continued through, traveling even lower in the bull moose. Bullet continued through the mid-forearm. Offside: If you look closely, you can see the mushroom protruding out of the mid-forearm. It was found rested against the hide of the forearm. The bullet gouged the big forearm bone, but didn't shatter it. It was expanded to 62 caliber. There was about one gallon of blood spilled all over shore, as he limped those last few steps, spanning about 20 feet, eventually falling over into the shallow slough off the main river. Quite the demand of a bullet, it didn't disappoint. I took out a tape measure, and estimated 3.5 ft of moose the bullet traveled through. I'm not sure the allure of flatter trajectory, will have me switching over to light for caliber boat tail bullets. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/4ymxPTyY/entry.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/g292VQW0/exit.jpg)
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mainer_in_ak,
IMPRESSIVE.
(One of my handloads, fired by a 2nd cousin, successfully did "the Texas heart-shot" on a large Axis buck up in the northwest part of TX at about 80M. - The hard-cast bullet exited the lower neck of the big buck . Robby said that he fell just about in the same spot where he was hit. = Fwiw, I've NEVER gotten a head that was nearly as nice.)
yours, tex
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