Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Those easily accessible DNA tests are causing some people trouble

That doesn’t answer my question.

All you told me is how I can’t learn.

I know its none of my business and this is not my quarrel....but you really should have signed off with Maazeltov or something like that.

Would have really made the moment.

It's funny, I just got the results of my DNA test. It said I am from Kentucky. The jokes on them, though, because the DNA sample I sent them was used toilet paper.

lol,...The forum Jews get offended if you point to evidence which says that they're simply typical Caucasians.

That's pretty funny if you think about it a bit.

"You're just like everybody else."

"Oh yeah?!! I'll kick your ass!"

I'm confused. Is your problem that you're not a team player or just not a good enough athlete to make the team?

My Eskimo is a little rusty. Actually there is no quarrel, that would require that both parties are equally invested.


mike r

No harm no foul.

Just trying to keep everyone current on their comedic timing.

I know.

It goes to the core of their culture, for various historical reasons, to play as a Jewish team seeking to defeat the other teams for the advancement of Jews and Jewish interests (not just individually competitive), while this is not the culture of the European. It's why they had such an easy time overthrowing the Czar. It was a gigantic, well organized, team effort, drawing strength from many different power centers (the press, banking, etc.). They were on the verge of doing the very same thing in Germany after WWI, but it sparked a strong reaction against it, due to the existence of the recent example of Russia.

Start at 28 minutes.

I laughed when I read that.

Your doc was onto something...

DF

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This takes the cake.

JFC.

The problem is no one is explaining their methodology.

For example this Elhaik guy, a scientist, from Israel (I most likely an Arab Israeli), actually steps out into the political arena and creates a website just for guys like yourself which is most likely how you were made aware of it though your sorta guys out there. Scientifically speaking, this is a HUGE red flag.

That is not how legitimate Science is done.

Meanwhile there's a LOT of pushback from other scientists in the field.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry

Elhaik's 2012 study was specifically criticized for its use of Armenians and Azerbaijani Jews as proxies for Khazars and for using Bedouin and Jordanian Hashemites as a proxy for the Ancient Israelites. The former decision was criticized because Armenians were assumed to have a monolithic Caucasian ancestry, when as an Anatolian people (rather than Turkic) they contain many genetically Middle Eastern elements.

Azerbaijani Jews are also assumed for the purposes of the study to have Khazarian ancestry, when Mountain Jews are actually descended from Persian Jews.

The decision to cast Bedouin/Hashemites as "proto-Jews" was especially seen as political in nature, considering that both have origins in Arab tribes from the Arabian Peninsula rather than from the Ancient Israelites, while the descent of the Jews from the Israelites is largely accepted.

The study was also criticized as interpreting information selectively—The study found far more genetic similarity between the Druze and Ashkenazim than the Ashkenazim and Armenians, but Elhaik rejected this as indicating a common Semitic origin, instead interpreting it as evidence of Druze having Turkic origins when they are known to come from Syria.

Geneticists conducting studies in Jewish genetics have challenged Elhaik's methods in his first paper. Michael Hammer called Elhaik's premise "unrealistic," calling Elhaik and other Khazarian hypothesis proponents "outlier folks… who have a minority view that’s not supported scientifically. I think the arguments they make are pretty weak and stretching what we know."

Marcus Feldman, director of Stanford University's Morrison Institute for Population and Resource Studies, echoes Hammer. "If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin," he said. He added that Elhaik’s first paper "is sort of a one-off." Elhaik’s statistical analysis would not pass muster with most contemporary scholars, Feldman said: "He appears to be applying the statistics in a way that gives him different results from what everybody else has obtained from essentially similar data."

Elhaik and Wexler's 2016 study was challenged by two prominent scholars of Jewish demography from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Shaul Stampfer, a professor of Soviet and East European Jewry, deemed it “basically nonsense.”

Sergio DellaPergola, the primary demographer of the Jewish people at the university, called it a "falsification", criticizing its methodology, using a small population size and selectively removing population groups that refuted the findings they wanted, namely other Jewish groups such as the Italkim and Sephardic Jews, to whom Ashkenazi Jews are closely related genetically. “Serious research would have factored in the glaring genetic similarity between Sephardim and Ashkenazim, which mean Polish Jews are more genetically similar to Iraqi Jews than to a non-Jewish Pole.”


Unless we look at the actual data, know what logarithms and models they used to analyze it, and know the assumptions of those models, we don't got a clue what they're talking about.

So you should have no problem telling me.

It goes without saying that there's going to be a lot of pushback. But eventually it will become common knowledge. It's been evident to anyone with common sense that the Ashkenazi do not have Middle Eastern heritage. They're *way* too white.

I don't believe the descendants of the Biblical Israelites stayed cohesive much past 500AD, if that long. They were essentially a nomadic people wandering all over Europe and Russia.

80 generations later, they're gone. As mentioned, it's only common sense.

And by the way,..wikipedia is an incredibly corrupted source.

During the time of Christ, the total population of the Earth was only 170 million people,...and the Biblical Israelites were a very small fraction of that.

To think that a very small nomadic group such as that could maintain genetic purity throughout a 2000 year span when the Earth's population expanded to 7 billion people is ridiculous.

Hilarious, a Jew named Feldman didn't like the results. 😂

Ya, that must be it.

Yet you yourself divide up those 7.5 (??) billion people on the basis of genetics, always have.

The original Christians were obviously composed of Biblical Israelites. Common sense says that there's many people in the world today who have as much (or more) DNA from the Biblical Israelites than the Ashkenazi yet have never considered themselves Jewish.

Unless they've had their DNA analyzed, they're probably unaware of it. I'm sure a lot would show up in some Italians,..since Rome was the first large group outside of the Biblical Israelites to have the Messiah's message given to them,...by Paul.

Not understanding the genetic data, models and assumptions used, you have no basis for that assertion.



Yet we got blue-eyed people there 5,000 years before Abraham. I woulda thought the concept of a WHITE Chosen People woulda had you turning handsprings in celebration.



Through my forefathers I have an unbroken line of descent, in my case it’s called the “Celtic Y”. Through my female forebearers I have all my mom’s mitochondrial RNA, hence a traceable female line.

Ain’t it 15% of the World’s population of men provably descended from Gengis Khan? And he was just one guy.



With regards to the credibility of source material ya gotta be aware of the irony inherent in you making that statement.

With regards to wiki, it’s only as good as the references cited and whoever edited it last. The link I gave is well referenced and seems quite comprehensive, giving both sides of the argument. Unlike for example the rather strange link provided in your original post.