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Reading comprehension is a gift. Everything I have been saying is verified in this thread by others arguing with my points. Critical readers are very clearly seeing my points.

LOL. Talking out both sides of your mouth.
Integrity is where you lack congrats on the reading.

The answer to the bullet?? accubond 100-1 over tsx on anything that requires shots over 400. Those accubonds win. In side 400 as well but I’m not starving or desperately need rib meat.

PS I have fired more TSX’s and Accubond in a week than you have ever. 😉 Alaska must be the IQ state.

Remember heavywalker selling 20,000+. 85grain TSX’s. Wonder where little brother got those.

Poor Sitka dummy....

Well not piss on the tsx train gang. My buddy shot a spike fork moose with a 375 RUM with a 270gr tsx. Guess what he recovered the bullet. These were chrono by me doing 2900 plus fps. Moose was about 100yds away. I like the accubonds I seen what they do to moose, caribou and bear. I also like the good ol partition, moose, deer, elk with them for me.

Killing is a messy business 😉.
2900 those hides will stretch and catch just about anything short of fmj.

I’ve been running lots of eld ‘S and the off rib cage catches them.
I can live with dead is dead.

79S,

I know more than one African PH who prefers his Cape buffalo clients to use 270-grain .375 TSX's rather than 300's, BECAUSE they tend to stop under the hide, while the 300's tend to exit. Buffalo usually live in herds, either a small herd with a few other bulls, or a bigger herd including cows and calves--and they're often in pretty thick cover, where not all of the other members of the herd can be seen. PH's prefer not to shoot two buffalo with one bullet.

I’d like to find an old test that gave exit velocities of various bullets. I was shocked at how slow most were going and how the hide catches most of them.

Argumentum ad absurdum. There is nothing in North America close to Cape Buffalo in hardness and showing they are caught at that extreme end says nothing about the vast majority of use.

It also shows their tremendous respect for the penetration of the TSX. It is easily supported by empirical evidence that X bullets penetrate more. And not just a little more.

Art,

I wasn't arguing ANYTHING. Was just stating an interesting fact about PH preferences to 79S, who brought up 270 TSX's stopping in moose.

There is absolutely no pejorative in my use of argument. This is only a discussion on a very complex subject and there will be differences of opinion in any worthwhile discussion. Your information about PH preferences is good information to add to the data base.

I have seen various X bullets stopped, l know well it can happen. I have not personally caught one and have put a fair number through critters.

Obviously some do not value an exit wound as much as I.

Obviously some have not seen the reduction in meat loss, likely a function of inexperience. I believe I remember you writing you have seen it clearly. And obviously that is not absolute.

A lot of elements to the argument discussion...

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Obviously some have not seen the reduction in meat loss, likely a function of inexperience. I believe I remember you writing you have seen it clearly. And obviously that is not absolute.

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Well post some pictures of the elk and wasted meat.
LOL. Wish I could find a elk to shoot. 😂

Or this terrible mess.

Would not waste time on TSX’s for elk.

Or deer.

I did have a friend that swore hard cast was the ticket for everything hand gun then get a mag of gold dots handed over in the heat of the moment. TSX is the LR equivalent of hardcast.

That's a very interesting fact, I wonder why the 270's have a tendency to stop under the hide.

Have a friend of sorts who swears by the 168 ttsx in his 300 wsm. He has 20 plus sheep numerous beats to his name and he thinks that bullet is the cats ass for sheep and whatever else. Me on the other hand look at BC realize much better bullets out there, for his intended purpose. Like the AB,ELD-X. But no telling him different. Kind of reminds me of my friend I hunted with in Oregon and he was a Sierra guy through and through you mention Speer bullets oh boy you got a tirade on what chitty bullet they were. Knew another guy in my youth you mention Sierra bullets he start bitching about how boattails blew up and hornady bullets were the only bullet to use. But I used them all and they all kill, but prefer accubonds or partitions.

79S,
Listen to your friend about the 168 TTSX. I have had the same experience with them, that’s why I still load them! Likely, the .470 BC is not a handicap to most hunters. If you need something with an extremely high BC, it’s not your huckleberry.

True. Our experience with MRX, TTSX and now LRX has been consistently good with no lost game and about 50% straight-down DRT. None have gone far.

While a .470 B.C. used to be pretty good, today's bullets leave that in the dust with numbers in the .5xx to.7xx range. At the ranges where most game is taken a .470 B.C. is more than adequate. Daughter #1 uses a 130g TTSX in her .308 Win, B.C. .350, and has taken game with it out past 350 yards with bang-flop results. Last year she got her muiie buck at with her hubby's .300WSM and a 165g TTSX, B.C. .442, at around 200 yards. Bang-flop on that one, too.

The 160g Speer Grand Slams I used for 20+ years in my 7mm RM have an advertised B.C. of .397. Pathetic - yet they killed many elk, and deer and antelope for me. Longest on elk was a nice bull at 411 yards lasered in 2015. Four steps and down.

The 100g TTSX I use in my .257 Roberts had an advertised B.C. of .357. Antelope don't know that and drop anyway.

High B.C. values are nice but it you have to have a special fast-twist barrel to use them they lose their advantage. They tend to be heavier as well, which means reduced velocity. May times they don't catch up to lighter bullets until way past normal shooting ranges. I have a Savage 111 I'm planning to rebarrel to 6.5 PRC. Great ballistics with a .625 B.C. for the Nosler 142g ABLR, but I have other loads with lower B.C. values that shoot flatter at normal ranges. In one comparison I ran the 6.5 PRC didn't start winning until about 1,000 yards. I don't ever plan to shoot game anywhere near that far.

All those nasty wounds appear to have been fatal...

Seems to me B.C is overrated for general hunting, more of an issue for LR hunting, LR target shooting.

Terminal performance, OTOH, is very important.

Also, matching velocity with bullet design for optimal outcome.

But, dead is dead, sometimes not pretty. I'd rather lose some meat than lose an animal. Three quarters in the freezer beats no quarters.

DF