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Good on Dougs part to take this on. When I was the Service Director for our dealership Ford never needed to ask us what needed to improve on the quality control front. All they had to do was look at their warranty claims. That told them plenty. Basically the same things went wrong on the same vehicles. But its good to ask your customers what experiences they are having.

I recall seeing $50 posted by more than one member here on the campfire some years back. So if that's not a typo by powdr, there was a change to $60 before going to $200.

Even if you could whip David Tubb, Carl Bernosky and Sherri Gallagher all on the same day it would have no bearing whatsoever on the mechanical issues being discussed.

Ive never had a reticle changed. Going from$60 to $200,they may as well have just quit doing it.

I think that may have been the point.

Tell Leupold to get rid of that dogshit wide duplex reticle.

It did give me more reading than any novel would have and hopefully in the end it will be worth it.

I hope they keep the wide duplex. I much prefer it over the regular duplex.

What is its virtue for you ? For me the opening is so wide it may as well be a plain crosshair.

I think I own nine Leupolds. Mostly older M8's, but a few others too. I have had one issue with the "erector". It was on a 4x33 M8. I sent it in, along with an explanation letter, a few weeks later, I had my scope back, repaired and "gone through," with a letter detailing all of the work that was done to the scope. I was pretty happy, though I never realized the erector issue was that widespread. I guess it wasn't just a freak thing,

I was happy with the way they handled the claim, 100% though.

I suppose if I were to make any recommendations, as petty as it sounds, bring back the gloss option, even if it costs a little bit more. Some of us like glossy scopes to match our glossy rifles. Not everyone is, or wants to be, a tactical operator. Been there, done that. Got the challenge coin.

I understand that matte finishes, 3" high turrets, reticle illumination, inferred, lasers, night vision, M-Rad, Mil-Dot, leveling bubbles, reticles with rangefinders and bullet drop compensators are all the rage now, and Leupold is just responding to 95% of the market demand, but don't forget about us simple folk, the 5%.

How about release an entirely separate line of scopes? Call them the "Classic Line" or some such. Matte and gloss finished fixed 2.5x, 4x, 6x, or even 3-9x and 4-12x scopes with plain duplex or boring fine crosshairs. How about bring back the old HBR style 6x scopes. Folks will buy them.

I’m tired or reading about Leupold BS and I’m sure someone will suggest that I STFU and move on if I don’t like it. Save your pixels, I’m doing just that! LOL

J23,

I concur with your last paragraph. Why not a german no. 4 reticle too? Definitely a gloss finish, 2.5 x ,a 4x, 6x (for that group of folks). Less SKUS seem to be the rage so instead ofa3-9and 4-12, maybe one scope model that catches both : 3-12x for-example. Really good ideas and points there.

A blast from the past!

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...as-leupold-fixed-tracking-zero-retention

If I had interest in Leupold I would sell and buy Nightforce.

Is the HD line a significant step up in glass quality? I think I’m gonna bite on either the SS 6x or HD 3-9

And the big deal was their scopes being used by the govt to kill people. It evidently was quite a fight before level heads prevailed. So, those privileged heirs didn't seem overly worried about making money.

With that snowflake level of thinking, I doubt the board is overly concerned about what we (out in fly over country) think. I would hope mgt. would take heed and move accordingly.

I don't see why some engineering can't fix whatever is the problem.

I have friends who think this stuff is all malarkey, others who I respect a lot, report serious issues, even with new scopes. I've sent a few back, but still like the brand.

DF

Depends what you call "significant". The glass in the 3-9x is a bit better, but the 6x is honestly very good.

Mathman, I believe I've figured it out. The wide duplex does double duty as a crosshair & a binocular substitute.

It may also have some ranging potential for ELR shooting.

The gap is too large to range anything but elephants up close.

Holdover maybe. How many moa/mils from center to thick transition on the wide duplex?

I'm glad you elaborated on the 'why' of the arguments over the military contract. As for fixing the problem(s), it sounds to me like it is very much quality control related, not just design, based on the comment below by JB.