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yes, but they were on the winning side, that is our side.

victors don't get treated the same as the losers.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war." Allegedly by Plato, sometimes attributed to George Santayana.

L.W.

War isn't pretty nor sanitary. There are no innocents. The sad thing about WWII is that it was probably preventable had they not decided to let Hitler take the Sudetenland. The world is ruled by the aggressive use of force or the threat of the aggressive use of force. FDR was a socialist so he was sympathetic toward Stalin and Hitler. Only when Hitler took France and was on the verge of taking Britton did FDR come to his senses. He was fine with Japan taking half of China and Burma but surprised when they attacked Pearl harbor. Come on he practically handed it to them so he could get into the war. He ended up supporting Mau over the democratic leader Chang Kai-shek. How'd that end up?

At the time we had no smart bombs and the Japanese were brutal so they had to be taught brutality. We would have lost over a million men taking Japan had it come to that so spare me the tears over innocents being bombed. Germany was essentially the same only they scattered their war making machinery across the country to hide the plants from view. War is truly hell and if you don't believe it just ask someone who's witnessed their friends being blown to bits in front of them. In Vietnam the Viet Cong would allow no innocent civilians. either you helped the cause or you were tortured and murdered. The only problem with Vietnam is we didn't go ahead and finish winning the war we already had won. We paid dearly for our efforts.

Our leaders get us into these messes and end up not having the guts to go ahead and finish what they started. Rules of engagement comes ultimately from the commander in chief and we've had some doozies. LBJ cost us a lot of soldiers lives with his stupidity. FDR should take his share of the blame for the war starting in the first place. his only saving grace was letting Eisenhower do his job.

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Name of show please.

Hellstorm

Watch it here.

No.

I found it.

THE title is EINSATZGRUPEN - THE NAZI DEATH SQUADS.

A lot of them were installed into upper level administrative positions after the war by... drum roll... the U.S.A.

had access to declassified material while in college in the early 70s...

When the US entered the war in 1941, military planners predicted it would take until 1958 to 1960 to defeat Germany, and then they would finish the war against Japan...the B17 and B 24s were side notes, to hold over the US bombing needs, until the planes planned to fight the middle part of the war, was the B 29, B 32 and B 36... plus it wasn't long afterwards that the concepts of the B 47 and B 52 were on ther drawing boards... although when they were finally built, they were in a lot different configuration... but their missions were the same back in early 1942 and 43...

The USAAF had plans to bomb Germany, from North Africa, but also from Britain, much more extensively it had finally occurred... they had intentions of building bases in Scotland for the longer range B 29s and B 32s... and had even planned air fields in Ireland for the B 36s... if Ireland refused to allow that, the US military had even planned on invading Ireland and occupying it to force on the Irish Government to build bomber bases in Ireland.

After Germany was taken care of... the Pentagon thinkers predicted that to defeat Japan, it would take 5 to 7 years to end the war with them....this was 1941 predictions...Defeating both Nazi Germany and Japan in those days meant to destroy both countries from the face of the earth,, ceasing their existence ( imagine that concept in today's Globalists minds.. although that is their intent on the USA)....

In 1944 after the invasion of Europe, the Pentagon looked at what it was going to cost to invade and defeat Japan... it was that envisioned cost of why the atomic bomb was authorized....prediction in American military losses was going to be between 4 million on the low end, and 6 million on the upper end....cost to the Japanese nation, was going to be wiping out 75 to 80% of their population entirely....

I had 6 Uncles on my step dad's side who served in WW 2... three did not come home...
The three that did, had served in Europe.. all three were in Units that were transferred from Europe, back to the USA to re equip and train for the invasion of Japan....

each Uncle served in different units in different parts of Europe...

They were given 6 weeks leave when they came home, with their station to report for duty when that was over was on the West Coast.. Ft Lewis and Ft Ord ....like everyone in their units, they were pretty much told to get their personal affairs in order during their 6 weeks on leave... and their chances of returning home was between zero and never....diplomatic way of telling everyone in their units that they would die in Japan trying to defeat the Japanese Empire...and the "Final Victory" as we boys were told when they would tell us some of their WW 2 stories, growing up...

a lot of stuff you don't see in the history books either...

Eisenhower settled a lot of scores after the fighting ceased. Read two books by James Bacque - CRIMES AND MERCIES and OTHER LOSSES. German POWs, particularly in France and (West) Germany were literally starved by denying food and supplies. The Germans had damn near the losses in the POW camps as those sustained during hostilities. Similarly, the German civilians, who had lost literally everything, were treated the same. The Swiss and the Red Cross were denied pushing in life-sustaining support even though there were ample supplies after the war.

In the East, the Russians were not as kind and gentle to POWs and ethnic German civilians caught in East-Bloc countries after Germany surrendered.

Some intelligence you failed to capture...

"Irony, thy name is Jorge..."

I have no idea WTF you are talking about nor your criticism of my first post pushing back against the commie slav.

how can you tell he's a communist?

It's a gift....

i am quoting from memory, but i believe they found over 2200 members still alive after the war. The names were turned over to the german authorities and less then 200 ever faced any kind of justice.
Starman, i am not sure which one of the perenial dipshi*s you are that hang around this forum, but the dipshi*t part is correct.
you ought to stay off commenting on this stuff, if you can't see the difference of a nazi walking across the bodies of the wounded and dieing, given them the head shot, or extermination of 90% or better of a group of people with no respect for man woman and child. No, dresden is bothersome to me, but a different thing than babi yar.

Right

I think if the USA gets involved in a conflict we should not stop tell the entire problem is gone . do not pull no punches

Definitely a good thing Hitler was as whacked and incompetent and domineering as he was. The Allies, if you could have called them that, would have likely taken many more years to take him out if it weren't for the Russians taking the approach they did as a war of attrition. That was a war they could win in the long run. England not being conquered and usable as a base to keep German troops in the west was a bonus also. I often wonder at how many SS were shot out of hand, rather than being taken prisoner where they could be, in the west. Even still a good number made it into the West German gov't after the war, and I think, had a big influence on creating the society in Europe today. And even at that, I wonder if the Nazis ever would have come to power, if it weren't for the Communists and their influences in the early part of the century from 1900-1930. In the end, it looks like Communist/Nazi philosophy wasn't all that far apart in many areas, one way or another, they both have to be run by a dictator and a police state, trouble is, they incorporate a lot of utopian ideas that do attract support by those who do not understand the requirements of the implementation of those ideas.

Socialism is what communism and Nazism have in common. Socialism is a religion, and while it is secular it is just as much a religion as Christianity and Islam. And when it be comes powerful it will maintain itself through tyranny,terror, and murder just as medieval Christianity and present day Islam has done. Our founders realized the dangers of religion and mob rule and did their best to protect us from those evils. If we had only heeded their wisdom and stayed on the course they set for us, and if only we had followed George Washinton's advice and stayed out of alliances and the affairs of other countries. Consider what a different world it might have been had Germany not been completely humiliated in WW 1. The war would probably have petered out and everybody went home exhausted and best of all, Hitler would have remained an unemployed painter. As it turned out WW 1 was not over until 1945 and everyone we set out to save was under the communist thumb.

Sycamoor.....

you last post is ironic, since you quote Jorge in your sig line....

or am I the only one that caught that?