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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13848534 05/25/19
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Have been taking elk with various 6.5's since about 1991. . Used both the 120 & 130gr Barnes X & now TSX. Can't tell the difference. Have never been disappointed. They both give complete penetration thru bone & heavy muscle. You don't always get a soft sided rib cage shot. When an angled shot thru bone is required the Barnes TSX/TTSX excel. The mono's easily out penetrate the partition. My .338 mag which I used for years before is kept just for nostalgia. Haven't fired it in years & have never missed it..

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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13849134 05/26/19
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I’m taking my 6.5 SAUM to WY this year. Loaded with the 139 Scenar.


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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13852903 05/27/19
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Killed a couple bulls with 140 accubonds, and a couple with 140 Bergers. From 150-650 yards. They all died with a single hit. Imo, just about any 140 will do the job, choose the one your rifle likes, and put it where it counts when the time comes.

Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13865969 06/01/19
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I've only shot one cow with my 6.5 Creedmoor, and used 140gr Accubonds. The Accubonds work very well, but after some reading, I think I'm going to try to use monolithic bullets while my kids are small, just to be safe. I used the 127gr LRX @ a little under 2,900 fps last year on an Antelope and deer and was happy with the performance, so that's what I plan on using on the same animals this year, and possibly cow elk depending on what I draw.

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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Gtscotty] #13869401 06/03/19
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Originally Posted by Gtscotty
I've only shot one cow with my 6.5 Creedmoor, and used 140gr Accubonds. The Accubonds work very well, but after some reading, I think I'm going to try to use monolithic bullets while my kids are small, just to be safe. I used the 127gr LRX @ a little under 2,900 fps last year on an Antelope and deer and was happy with the performance, so that's what I plan on using on the same animals this year, and possibly cow elk depending on what I draw.


My group uses a lot of Barnes TTSX for antelope - not because they are needed but because a) they work very well and b) in multiple cases they are the same loads used for elk and deer.

I've driven TTSX lengthwise through mule deer twice. They dropped like a box of rocks. Have sent them through mulies on broadsides with the same results. Still waiting to recover one or any tipped X bullet for that matter, MRX, TTSX or LRX. If memory serves correctly(somewhat doubtful!), I've only shot one elk with a tipped X, a 180g MRX on a 400 yard broadside. It swapped ends, took a couple steps and turned uphill. After a couple more steps it was down.

The cow I shot with a 150g AB/.30-06 was on the ground before I recovered from the recoil.

Pick a bullet you are comfortable with and go hunt elk. The truth is most bullets will work just fine most of the time. I prefer solidly constructed bullets (Barnes tipped X and various bonded for elk over standard cup-and-core for a couple of reasons:

1. Bullets that hold together penetrate deeper. If all you get is a quartering away shot or need to stop a wounded (or possibly wounded) elk that is headed to the next county, deep penetration is needed.

2. The only downside I've seen is cost, and that can be minimized by using cheaper loads that shoot to about the same POI for practice. Use the premiums for your last trip to the range. While I handload, I once calculated that they cost savings of using C&C bullets for a year of antelope, deer and elk hunting wouldn't buy me a glass of cheap wine for dinner out. Or a Starbucks coffee, for that matter. As recall, that glass of wine would have required several years worth of such savings. Hunters using factory ammo have a different calculation but often by less than anticipated. Midway has .264WM Remington Core-Lokt 140g for $53 while Nosler 130g AB is $58. That is a whopping $0.25 more per shot if using the AB. Hunters using a .30-06 have many more options and can buy a 150g Remington Core-Lokt on sale for $15 while 150g Nosler AB are $33. That is a $0.90 difference per shot, which is still not significant given the total costs for an elk hunt (licenses, lodging, fuel, food, processing, vehicle wear/tear/maintenance, processing, etc., etc.).

Daughter #1 hunted elk with her .308 Win and a 3045fps 130g TTSX for the last couple years. No shots, but I wasn't concerned about what would happen. This year she will be using a .270 Win and a 150g ABLR @ 2912fps. No worries about that, either.


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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13875513 06/05/19
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I'd say for the 264WM the best bullet is the 160gr Woodleigh Weldcore, and it's not particularly close. Nothing else can match the sectional density/penetration while still maintaining a decent BC.

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160gr Weldcore
64.8gr Retumbo
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Federal 215 primer
Lee FCD crimp slightly over 1/4 turn
0.02" to lands

Velocity averages 2910 out of a 24" Winchester.

Accuracy is plenty good.

Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Llama_Bob] #13876945 06/06/19
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How many elk have you shot with that bullet?



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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Coyote_Hunter] #13877060 06/06/19
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Coyote Hunter,
Your cost comparison is what I’ve been trying to tell one of my hunting buddies for years. What the heck is 2 boxes of $40 ammo compared to the cost of an elk hunt, even a non-guided out of state hunt? I told another guy moaning about cost of premium ammo that if $40 was in the way of his elk hunt, he probably can’t afford to go anyway. If you have poor performance on game, you might save the processor’s fee. The way I look at it, the bullet is all that connects you to the animal. Not boots, binoculars, gps, clothes, etc. In my opinion, the two things not to scrimp on are scopes and ammunition since most rifles are reliable enough. Happy Trails


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Used 127LRX on my best bull. DRT

Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Gtscotty] #13879602 06/07/19
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[ I think I'm going to try to use monolithic bullets while my kids are small, just to be safe.

You won't need the extra penetration on small kids, even up close! (Sorry, couldn't resist, ha!) Are you talking about the not handling "lead" around them and if so, how would they be exposed to it? Just curious...:)

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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Llama_Bob] #13880481 06/07/19
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Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
I'd say for the 264WM the best bullet is the 160gr Woodleigh Weldcore, and it's not particularly close. Nothing else can match the sectional density/penetration while still maintaining a decent BC.

Load:
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160gr Weldcore
64.8gr Retumbo
Nosler brass
Federal 215 primer
Lee FCD crimp slightly over 1/4 turn
0.02" to lands

Velocity averages 2910 out of a 24" Winchester.

Accuracy is plenty good.


"Nothing else can match the sectional density/penetration while still maintaining a decent BC." ?????

The .264" 160g WWC has an S.D. of .328 and a claimed B.C. of .509. While these are good numbers, B.C. and S.D. alone aren't the only things that determine penetration. Bullet construction comes into play, as does velocity at impact. Another factor to consider is that "more than an handful is wasted". Once a bullet exits there is no such thing as "more penetration".

A relatively standard 1-9 twist rate will provide marginal stability for the 160g WWC at 2850fps.

I'm willing to bet that a 120g TTSX or 130g LRX or SCII or 140g Partition or North Fork will penetrate as deeply out past normal shooting ranges. I put a .284" 140g North Fork (lower SD. and B.C.) through an elk at 400 yards with massive blood loss out the off side. Probably true for a variety of other bullets as well.







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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: elkchsr] #13884832 06/08/19
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+1 on the 140 NP- it will do the job better than most other game bullets,particularly at the ranges most elk are shot at. Elk are big and they need to be shot well with a bullet tough enough to penetrate through shoulders. Remember, any 6.5 is on the lighter side of which consistently works well, so bullet construction becomes a little bigger concern. Don't get me wrong, a good 6.5 will flatten any bull ever born. I like them and use them a lot, but in my experience the 130-140 gr Accubonds are not the best choice for big bulls if heavy bone is hit. They are fantastic on the preferred broadside double-linger, but in the real world that shot presentation doesn't always work out. Best of luck on your hunt!

Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Coyote_Hunter] #13884894 06/08/19
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter


The .264" 160g WWC has an S.D. of .328 and a claimed B.C. of .509. While these are good numbers, B.C. and S.D. alone aren't the only things that determine penetration. Bullet construction comes into play, as does velocity at impact. Another factor to consider is that "more than an handful is wasted". Once a bullet exits there is no such thing as "more penetration".

A relatively standard 1-9 twist rate will provide marginal stability for the 160g WWC at 2850fps.

I'm willing to bet that a 120g TTSX or 130g LRX or SCII or 140g Partition or North Fork will penetrate as deeply out past normal shooting ranges. I put a .284" 140g North Fork (lower SD. and B.C.) through an elk at 400 yards with massive blood loss out the off side. Probably true for a variety of other bullets as well.







The fact remains that it has exceptional penetration given the high SD and near-100% weight retention, and elk are large animals. Combined with the good BC, this makes it ideal. The bullet's designed impact velocity is 2900 to 2000 ft/s, which fits the .264WM to a T.

The bullet is fully stable in all plausible weather at sealevel out of a 1:9. Being a flat base, it is more stable than calculators using the Greenhill or Miller formulas would suggest. They were calibrated for boat tails.

I will happily take a bet on penetration depth for the 160 Weldcore vs. a 140gr Partition with any reasonable protocol for up to $200,000. Let me know if you're serious and not just an internet blowhard who says they're willing to bet until it's time to bet.

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Originally Posted by smokepole
How many elk have you shot with that bullet?



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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Llama_Bob] #13887209 06/09/19
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I have no doubt that the 160WWC would win that contest! We are just suggesting that the 140NP will do a good job for him on elk. If extreme penetration were the only goal, why not just load a 156gr steel jacketed RN? Cuz it's a crappy choice for elk, that's why!

Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13892998 06/11/19
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On a record of one elk, my .260 Rem 725 using 140 grain factory Corelokt did a bang/flop on an elk at around 150 yards.

People way over-think these things....

Which isn't to say I don't like my '06's and .338WM. With which I have taken, with various other calibers, around 100 caribou and moose, several sheep, bear, and one each lonesome goat and wolf.

Hint: It ain't what you hit them with, much, as where. smile

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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Llama_Bob] #13893775 06/12/19
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Originally Posted by Llama_Bob
Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter
The .264" 160g WWC has an S.D. of .328 and a claimed B.C. of .509. While these are good numbers, B.C. and S.D. alone aren't the only things that determine penetration. Bullet construction comes into play, as does velocity at impact. Another factor to consider is that "more than an handful is wasted". Once a bullet exits there is no such thing as "more penetration".

A relatively standard 1-9 twist rate will provide marginal stability for the 160g WWC at 2850fps.

I'm willing to bet that a 120g TTSX or 130g LRX or SCII or 140g Partition or North Fork will penetrate as deeply out past normal shooting ranges. I put a .284" 140g North Fork (lower SD. and B.C.) through an elk at 400 yards with massive blood loss out the off side. Probably true for a variety of other bullets as well.

The fact remains that it has exceptional penetration given the high SD and near-100% weight retention, and elk are large animals. Combined with the good BC, this makes it ideal. The bullet's designed impact velocity is 2900 to 2000 ft/s, which fits the .264WM to a T.

The bullet is fully stable in all plausible weather at sealevel out of a 1:9. Being a flat base, it is more stable than calculators using the Greenhill or Miller formulas would suggest. They were calibrated for boat tails.

I will happily take a bet on penetration depth for the 160 Weldcore vs. a 140gr Partition with any reasonable protocol for up to $200,000. Let me know if you're serious and not just an internet blowhard who says they're willing to bet until it's time to bet.


Llama_Bob -

We've never recovered a Barnes TSX, MRX, TTSX or LRX from any animal. I've twice driven them lengthwise through mule deer. I've also driven a 140g 7mm North Fork from ham to sternum on a mulie buck and through cow elk on a broadside. Not sure how much more penetration is required.

As to the bet, I have a seven-foot high stack of one-gallon milk jugs in the garage. While not flesh and bone, they make for a very consistent test media that is easily and quickly prepared. Bring a .264 WM with a 160g and I'll take my 6.5-06AI (not quite a .264 WM, but close) and we can head to my range and test the 160g WWC against a Swift 130g SCII, 120g TTSX, 127 LRX and 140g North Fork SS. Loser buys the beer. I'll provide the steaks.


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Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13912846 06/20/19
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I have read of some folks using the wildcat 6.5/280 Ackley Improved. Surprisingly, they used the 120 Nosler Ballistic Tip almost exclusively, even on moose! That's very intriguing to me as I used that bullet in my one and only 6.5/284 (pre-SAAMI) and the 125PT. I had both going 3200fps ( necked down 284 Winchester brass, very hard tough cases. Later on when I tried Hornady/Lapua and Norma made brass, It was all too soft to get that fast) They were wonderful bullets on deer/exotics and I never recovered one! Anyone used it yourself, on elk?

Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13912908 06/20/19
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Whichever one reaches and destroys vitals

Re: Best .264 Elk Bullet [Re: Slidellkid] #13912987 06/20/19
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I have not shot any elk but I do have a 6.5-300&6.5 Creedmoor. If I was going to chase elk it would prolly be with my Weatherby in 6.5-300. I have killed deer with three different bullets in this rifle. I really like the Aframes in 140 grains. The second one I like is the 127 grain Barnes LRX. Either one of these would work I would think. Of course my experience is with deer but I have not recovered one yet.

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