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my reamer finally showed up from Clymer so Greg will get my barrel done ,then i can finish the stock and rifle . then i can start playing with my new toy out on my rifle range. then after that`s done hopefully my other Brux barrel with 7 1/2 twist will be in so i can build a 257 Roberts on my 30 Express Remington.
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Looking forward to updates. I have a few curiosities on the matter.
You gonna have custom dies cut ? Or.......?
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Despite hearing the chorus of the song " Dare to be Stupid" every time this idea comes up, I still kinda want one. Good luck with the project.
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i have always been a follower of the 25 caliber so it was a easy decision to make / build a 25 Creedmoor. but i also really have a soft spot for a 257 Roberts so for my daughter and 2 grandkids i want them to all have 257 Roberts to start out with ,my son and i both use 257 Weatherby Mags in a Ruger #1`s and when i get older and grandson can handle the Ruger #1 Weatherby and hunt my wolf stand for deer in the tamaracs i`ll use a 257 Roberts then.
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i have always been a fun of the 25 caliber so it was a easy decision to make 25 Creedmoor. but i also really have a soft spot for a 257 Roberts so for my daughter and 2 grandkids i want them to all have 257 Roberts to start out with ,my son and i both use 257 Weatherby Mags in a Ruger #1`s and when i get older and grandson can handle the Ruger #1 Weatherby and hunt my wolf stand for deer in the tamaracs i`ll use a 257 Roberts then. Cross the fingers that a bullet worth a [bleep] shows up to bring the 1/4 back to life. If it makes you feel any better the reamer for the 6.5wssm had to go get a neck adjustment from .308 to .301. It allows for a .001 turn to clean things up. And still leaves the wall .017”. Makes the resize reamer .2965” 🤜🏻
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yes i know the 131 gr Black Jack Bullets are made by Sierra and will work ok on deer,i am hoping some other bullet maker like Barnes,Nosler or Hornady build some heavier .257 bullets too ? so we will see ?
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I don't know where the sweet spot is & am too lazy or mathematically inept to figure it. But longer range shooters moved to the 6.5 for as good or better wind & trajectory than the 308 & were looking for less recoil. Then.......... as bullets got better many moved to the 6mm for same trajectory numbers with even less recoil.
There is a spot that minimal recoil & superior trajectory meet, that spot is simply waiting on bullet designs that the 25 has yet to be blessed with.
Not saying it's at .257 but it hovers close.
Hell, they keep tightening the twist & bringing out new bullets, the .224 might be the one??????????
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Fit in a short action magazine with VLD type bullets while reaching the lands and not excessively intruding in powder space. Same with any of the Creedmoor cartridges vs x57 cartridges. John
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Now, if they come out with some decent high-BC game bullets for the .257 caliber, everything would be wonderful. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet...
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I don't know where the sweet spot is & am too lazy or mathematically inept to figure it. But longer range shooters moved to the 6.5 for as good or better wind & trajectory than the 308 & were looking for less recoil. Then.......... as bullets got better many moved to the 6mm for same trajectory numbers with even less recoil.
There is a spot that minimal recoil & superior trajectory meet, that spot is simply waiting on bullet designs that the 25 has yet to be blessed with.
Not saying it's at .257 but it hovers close.
Hell, they keep tightening the twist & bringing out new bullets, the .224 might be the one??????????
You’ve probably already seen this but just in case and for others out there. An interesting article- https://www.google.com/amp/s/coldbo...ation-quarter-lord-the-25-creedmoor/amp/
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Now, if they come out with some decent high-BC game bullets for the .257 caliber, everything would be wonderful. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet... >?> Black Jack Bullets has a 131 gr. 25 caliber bullet with very high B.C. G7 - .330, we just need a couple more bullet manufactures to make some even heavier long grain bullets ??
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Anxious to see how the 131 Blackjacks perform for folks on critters.
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i may load some for my 257 Weatherby Mag. and if this rifle shoots well enough i will use them hopefully on a nice whitetail buck this fall 2019
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Out of stock, but just saw cases headstamped - 25 Creedmoor at Alpha brass.
Seems more than a few are eyballing a 25.
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i just check that site out thank you for posting the comment. here is the name of the company > Alpha Munitions and dang your right they are out of 25 Creedmoor brass !
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Bet it would be an easy pass, 6.5 Creed case thru a .25 Creed FL die.
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yes i will be using 6.5 Creedmoor brass in my 25 Creedmoor i already purchased 500 Lapua cases and 300 Hornady cases ,but would be neat to try some Alpha brass too with the head stamp of 25 Creedmoor.
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My name on another site is 25Cal. I have been a fan of the quarter bores since I bought my first centerfire bolt gun in the early 1980s. It was a Remington 700 BDL 25-06. Since then I have had several 250 Savages, a 250 Ackley, several 257 Roberts, and a 257 Roberts AI. The 257 Creedmoor is a 250 AI with a fast twist. If I were not so old I might have to have one built. However, I currently have a 250 Savage rifle on a Savage Axis action and a similar 257 Roberts on another Axis action. Both are E.R. Shaw barrels, and both shoot great, so I am set. Keep us posted on your project.
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I have the original 25 Creedmoor - a .long-action .257 Roberts. 
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yep your right,but for now that`s all i got is Sierra 131 gr. bullets,so i will punch paper with these bullets.i still hoping other bullet manufactures start building heavier grain .257 bullets and better built for hunting deer and elk sized animals. Barnes ,Nosler,Swift,Berger,Hornady or anyone else would certainly be nice if they would make these bullets.
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I have the original 25 Creedmoor - a .long-action .257 Roberts. Yep, me too... Blueprinted 700 LA with a 24" Brux in a Ti take off stock converted from ADL to BDL by me. Smith was Ron Lampert, MN, mentioned by Jim Carmichael in his book, The Modern Rifle as "one of the country's top metal specialists". Ron had cut two Mauser actions, shortened one to mid length, took the pieces from that one and extended the other from std. to full magnum length. The work was exceptional, you couldn't see the welds. The short one is a .250 Savage, the lengthened one, a .375 H&H. No matter where you place the .257R round in the box mag of this LA 700, feeding is as slick as any rifle I own and I have some good ones. Ron tuned the Walker trigger to perfection. It shoots several loads very well. One of the best is the 100 TTSX over H-100V, referred by gunner500 as a "little buzz saw". It is a proven WT and hog killer. Note the COAL and velocity. H-100V is the speed champ in the Roberts. H-4350 also works very well, said to be more temp stable. DF ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/a2qWn0R.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/CjLQA9w.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/tZf5e35.jpg)
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I shoot that boolit at 3400fps+ in a trio of 25-284's. ![[Linked Image]](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1280x1024q90/922/d56bkN.jpg) None of which can hang with a .224" 88 ELD. Hint.................
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I bet it messes up stuff, kills'em dead about like my 26 Nos, 120 TTSX (or E-Tip) at 3,450.
You load is pretty close.
I like it.
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I'm getting 3233fps with the 100TTSX and 48.0g H4350. It was my primary hunting load for the Roberts until I started using the 110AB @ 3163fps with 46.5g H4350. Have not tried H100V in the Roberts but love what it does in a couple others, including my 22" .338WM.
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Dirtfarmer -
I'm getting 3233fps with the 100TTSX and 48.0g H4350. It was my primary hunting load for the Roberts until I started using the 110AB @ 3163fps with 46.5g H4350. Have not tried H100V in the Roberts but love what it does in a couple others, including my 22" .338WM.
H100V seems to be a niche powder, a real performer in certain applications. It’s reportably not as temp stable as H-4350. I’ve had excellent results with H-4350 and 115 NBT’s, groups as good or better than the TTSX/H100V load posted. Not as fast but also a real killer. Guess you can tell I like the Roberts, especially in a LA with a good barrel. DF
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i am also rebuilding a real nice Remington 30 express with a new Brux 7 1/2 twist barrel chambered 257 Roberts. >when you wanna talk speed my 257 Weather Mag. with a 27 inch Brux barrel on my Ruger # 1 i get 3800 fps with a Nosler Partition 100 gr. RL.22 powder out my Ohler.
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i am also rebuilding a real nice Remington 30 express with a new Brux 7 1/2 twist barrel chambered 257 Roberts. >when you wanna talk speed my 257 Weather Mag. with a 27 inch Brux barrel on my Ruger # 1 i get 3800 fps with a Nosler Partition 100 gr. RL.22 powder out my Ohler. Have you “splashed” any critters with that 3,800 fps, 100 gr NPT? DF
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no those NPT hold together surprisingly well out of my Weatherby 257 ,i also use Swift 100 grain. A-Frames. but a poor made bullet would not be pretty on a animal ,i tried a old B.T. years ago on a doe antelope and that was a mess " ick ". with this new 257 Roberts built i will have 4 - 257 Roberts for my family members in their future hunts ,i will build plenty ammo too for them too, my hunting land is paid for now too.
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Good deal on your hunting land. You can be justly proud of that.
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I shoot that boolit at 3400fps+ in a trio of 25-284's. None be fasterer than I pass out when I smell the rag all the visitin’ bros’ wipez their dikck off on. +P . Thanks for CRYING. . Hint................. That25-284 is sure sumptin’
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I have the original 25 Creedmoor - a .long-action .257 Roberts. I think I'd refer to the 250AI as the original 25CM.
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another update on the Savage 25 Creedmoor rifle its back together after i glass bedded rifle. after sight-in with my 12-42x Nightforce scope took 6 bullets at 100 yards to center of bulleye, i cleaned rifle after every shot with wipe-out. took 1 fouler maybe should have done 2 foulers ? rifle shot a 3- shot 3/8 group ,last 2 in same hole,its 90 degrees and very humid ,so i quit and went back in the house. brass was new Hornady cases so i expect the Lapua brass to shoot even better with these 131 gr. Black Jack Bullets.
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Probably shoot 131 grain bullets for starters.
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another update on the 25 Creedmoor: rifle is starting to show signs of cleaning easier and accuracy too. Hornady brass just is not as accurate as Lapua out of this rifle. with Lapua brass 5 shot groups are always 3/8 groups and matter a fact most have 4 in same hole and one off 3/8. so with so much rain yesterday i resized new Lapua 6.5 Creedmoor brass,weighed and sorted this brass ,then neck turned some brass. so today will try shooting this rifle again with H4350 powder and see if my groups improve off the bench. i might try my old go to powder H414 which has always shot well for me in many different cartridges like 22-250,220 swift,243 Win.,7mm-08 ,308 Win. even my 338 Win. Mag. some others too ?
>as far as the 257 Roberts goes its a great cartridge and i own 4 - 257 Roberts rifles and have a new Brux 7 1/2 twist barrel for another one,i plan on giving these rifles to family members to hunt with. i do feel the case design of the Creedmoor has more accuracy potential , Lapua brass availability in 6.5 Creedmoor, ease in resizing this brass and just something different that no one else is using much yet is why i am shooting and reloading a 25 Creedmoor or should i say just for more fun !
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Due to mag constraints, the 25 x 47 lapua would give you some lattitude in OaL, about the same as a 25/250 ai
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Hey Pete, Now that you've got the rifle & are shooting it, how about you throw up some pics ? 
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Due to mag constraints, the 25 x 47 lapua would give you some lattitude in OaL, about the same as a 25/250 ai yes your right i almost went with that case " 25X47 Lapua " but i decided Creedmoor had a neat name and i kinda wanted to blow those 6.5 Creedmoor guys brain a little at the range too . GRIN !
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Now that is funny!
131g BJ bullets are going to change the game
Pete, wish you the best in your new game changer.
In my creeds, the hornady brass takes a different load than the lapua brass, as internal capacity is different...chasing bug holes.
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i may use my Hornady brass for hunting or shoot`n metal ,but from now on in this 25 Creedmoor rifle for groups and maybe competition i will only be use`n Lapua brass it shoots better for me. like i said i hope to get those 6.5 boys head`s too . GRIN
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What are using for dies? Custom order or change neck bushing in Redding 6.5, or........ ?
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i used the 6.5 Redding full length bushing die, i changed the bushing and you also have change the expander ball to a 25 caliber, off hand i don`t remember the bushing sizes,maybe .292 ? you also need to lube your cases every time i use that Redding wax,even the new cases need lube when you change the neck size to 25 caliber. i learned some of these things by trial and error ,in the video`s some of these simple things are not mentioned. i do plan on shooting some today again at 100 yds.
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i shot a couple of groups with the new neck turned- weighed Lapua brass it does shoot some what better, groups are now 3/8 5 shot. i seem to have the best results with less powder 40 grains of H4350 i just volume load ,i have a Redding powder measure. but i plan on trying some H414 that is a ball powder that the powder volume loads very nice and maybe will be more accurate. this rifle will probably used more in the winter rifle shoots too,i may have my own rifle range,but this time of year i am plenty busy,i shoot trap too.i have only shot about 50 rounds thru this rifle so far and those were the 3rd and 4th time i shot 5 shot groups. but i have been cleaning this rifle alot with only wipe-out too. this project with the 25 Creedmoor is alot of fun ,kinda reminds me of my first 7mm-08 i built before gun manufactures decided to build the 7mm-08,i also think the 25 Creedmoor might become a another normal manufactured cartridge as did the 7mm-08 ?
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You really need to work on your typing. You come across as uneducated or something do to your poor ability to type in a normal manner. I hope you speak better than you type.
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^ you really should check the spelling of your smartass posts as you come across hippocritical.
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You really need to work on your typing. You come across as uneducated or something do to your poor ability to type in a normal manner. I hope you speak better than you type. The OP could be a deaf mute for all we know. But one thing we know is the guy is Doing It! And.... I thank him for it. Who, besides you, GAF about typing????? SHEESH!!!!!!!!!!
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^ you really should check the spelling of your smartass posts as you come across hippocritical. ^^^ Whut he sed, and GFY.
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Pete, hope you keep posting your results!
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You really need to work on your typing. You come across as uneducated or something do to your poor ability to type in a normal manner. I hope you speak better than you type. liberal / troll : anytime you wanna bring some cash / $100.00 or more, to my gun range and shoot a couple of groups against me or shoot 100 clay pigeons at a trap range for cash against me bring it on. we can have a service Vet hold the cash. >otherwise just go away !
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Yes i will post more next week ,weekends get busy with family .also just got my new to me trap shotgun back from a famous trap/shotgun gunsmith "Pat Laib " earlier today as he is headed to the Grand in Illinois .
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Hey Pete, Now that you've got the rifle & are shooting it, how about you throw up some pics ? .
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[quote=elkhunternm][quote=New_2_99s]Hey Pete,
Now that you've got the rifle & are shooting it, how about you throw up some pics ?
i have very poor skills with pictures on my old computer ,sorry Pete53
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Gotcha.
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I would give RL17 a try in the 25 CM. 👍 Might improve your velocity by 100fps or so and should keep your accuracy. I switched all my 6.5 CM’s from H4350 to RL17. Love the stuff in the 6.5 CM, 6mm CM, .243 LBC, 6x6.8 SPC and the 6.5x6.8 SPC.
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that sounds like a good ideal ,i will try some Reloader 17 i do have a couple of kegs of it. thank you,Pete53
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An email from Alpha indicates 25 CM brass is planned to be produced in the next 2-3 months.
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today i used Reloader 17 and my groups went to 5/8 inch ,then i took 10 of the once fired weighed and neck turned Lapua brass and shot those 10 again 7 went in a 1/4 inch group the other 3 were still 5/8 of the 10. next time i shoot i will load those same 7 Lapua cases and see if they still shoot in the same place ? i used to do this with my 7mm-08 brass that i neck down 308 Lapua brass, weighed ,neck turned and shot tell i found matching cases . in my area they had winter shoots ,also with best 5 shot group at 100 yards for money with a hunting rifle years ago . with the right benchrest equipment,scope , barrel thats glass bedded and a decent trigger some guns will shoot some very nice groups too. i also notice using Reloader 17 powder this rifle seem very smooth and the same feeling of push recoil maybe as some say balanced harmonics ? not sure ?
i just got my Remington Model 30 Express action back with a new 25 inch Brux barrel, #3 -7 1/2 twist 257 Roberts and just glass bedded stock.maybe this old rifle will shoot well too with Black Jack bullets or Nosler Partitions 115 gr. ?like i told Greg the machinist maybe this old rifle will out shoot my 25 Creedmoor ?
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was able to shoot yesterday in afternoon here is what happened. 2 shots with the 25 Creedmoor so rifle was fouled then let it cool down. when cooled down shot the 7 matched cases 5 shot in 1/4 inch group the other 2 shot with 3/4 inch i have the 5 marked to try again another day ,i used 40 grains of RL. 17 131 Black Jack bullets. i also shot my new Brux Barrel 257 Roberts ,i loaded 10 new cases with 40 grs. RL. 17 and a Nosler 100 gr. B.T. took 7 shots to find the middle of the bulleye at 100 yards. i then shot a 3 shot group with last 3 and to my surprise first 2 went in the center of the bulleye 3rd shot was 5/8 inch away from the first 2 that were almost in same hole,so now i am wondering ? is it the Nosler bullets ? the cartridge case ? or just barrel is better ? i used cheaper rest and bag when i shot this old hunting rifle and a old 3-10 leupold scope ? sometimes what should shoot well is just ok and the huntin rifles shoot better ? >The next time i shoot the 25 Creedmoor the barrel will still be dirty from the last 9 shots ,maybe it will shoot better dirty some barrels do ? i have now shot a total of 75 bullets thru that barrel all together.
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i was able to shoot a few more 5 shot groups using Reloader 17 ,shot 2 - 5 shot groups with the Black Jack bullets with a dirty barrel both groups were poor 3/4 inch, so i tried some Nosler B.T. 115 grain,with same dirty barrel and RL.17 powder load 1 group was 1/2 inch, 2nd group was 5/8 group but 4 were in the same hole. now i wonder ? are the Black Jack bullets better only for 400 yards or longer distances ? i am more impressed with the Nosler B.T. 115 grain now ,so when i have more time will try Nosler B.T. again.
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Pete, are you undoing what you`re trying to do with the fast twist Creed by using the 117 BT? I`ve used that bullet in my 250AI for a long time, always with good results. Unless the Creed is providing very high Velocities, I`m still very interested in your findings with the 131 Black Jacks.
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i tried the 115 B.T. just to see how accurate they are and they proved they are accurate at 100 yards in the 25 Creedmoor.i have been busy with my grandkids lately so that kinda has set me back a little. but once it gets cooler and quits raining so much here in Minnesota i plan on doing some 200 and 300 yard tests with the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets i think maybe these long bullets may shoot better at longer distances but not sure yet ? and no have not used a chronograph yet it rains to much this year when i am out shooting.
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shot some 100 yard groups this mourning at my range ,the Nosler B.T. still shoot well in this rifle. i also started shooting 131 gr. Black Jack bullets again these bullets shoot ok a 100 yards some 1/2 groups some 3/4 groups with 42 gr. RL. 17. i plan on just loading 131 gr. Black Jack bullets with 42 gr. RL. 17 and trying 200 and 300 yards next week at another range. i kinda feel these bullets will shoot better or stabilize better at 200 yards and farther my 257 Weatherby Mag. does shoot better at 150 yards and farther too.
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weather here in Minnesota has been terrible rain,wind and the last 2 days snow,so going to a range is not possible tell it either drys up or freeze`s the ground.i got rifle,targets and ammo ready to go !
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Thanks for all the info, I'd like to hear velocity when weather permits
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I have the original 25 Creedmoor - a .long-action .257 Roberts. So do I, but it's built on a short action, 250AI. Ackley was a smart dude.
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its hunting season for me so the 25 Creedmoor gets put on the back burner. the reason i built a 25 Creedmoor is i can buy much better brass > Lapua brass. i do agree 250 Savage case is not much difference but that brass and or brass for my 257 Roberts rifles have the same problem > poorer manufactured brass and no - one makes brass as good as Lapua with consistency for accuracy.
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Fit in a short action magazine with VLD type bullets while reaching the lands and not excessively intruding in powder space. Same with any of the Creedmoor cartridges vs x57 cartridges. John A somethingx57 in a short magazine is definitely not ideal. A medium or long action is a a game changer for the x57s with vlds.
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i built my 257 Roberts in a long action old Remington 30 express and it shoots lights out with Nosler 115 B.T. bullets
257 Creedmoor is a new Savage target short action and shoots Nosler 115 gr B.T. bullets great but so far the 131gr. Black Jack bullets at 100 yards i have not got them to shoot consistent yet ,i have tried 3 powders so far including the powder Black Jack recommended . maybe i got a poor batch of bullets ?i plan on doing more testing when its warmer at farther distances.
as of right now i am very impressed with both rifles with 115gr.Nosler B.T. bullets.
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Fit in a short action magazine with VLD type bullets while reaching the lands and not excessively intruding in powder space. Same with any of the Creedmoor cartridges vs x57 cartridges. John A somethingx57 in a short magazine is definitely not ideal. A medium or long action is a a game changer for the x57s with vlds. Agree. My 7x57 was in a LA, my 257R is in a long action... If one really wanted a quarter bore in a SA, I think the 257 CM would make sense. Just me. DF
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its hunting season for me so the 25 Creedmoor gets put on the back burner. the reason i built a 25 Creedmoor is i can buy much better brass > Lapua brass. i do agree 250 Savage case is not much difference but that brass and or brass for my 257 Roberts rifles have the same problem > poorer manufactured brass and no - one makes brass as good as Lapua with consistency for accuracy. That's as good a reason as any, and better than most, for a new rifle. I'm a dedicated .25 calibre fan and would buy a .25 Creedmoor if they were released by a manufacturer.
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i built my 257 Roberts in a long action old Remington 30 express and it shoots lights out with Nosler 115 B.T. bullets
257 Creedmoor is a new Savage target short action and shoots Nosler 115 gr B.T. bullets great but so far the 131gr. Black Jack bullets at 100 yards i have not got them to shoot consistent yet ,i have tried 3 powders so far including the powder Black Jack recommended . maybe i got a poor batch of bullets ?i plan on doing more testing when its warmer at farther distances.
as of right now i am very impressed with both rifles with 115gr.Nosler B.T. bullets. i just cried ,Pete when I read you disassembled a Remington 30 Express.. even for a Roberts barrel on it.. you aren't talking a Remington 30S chambered in 30 Remington Are ya? That rifle and a Model 54 in 30/30 are my two holy grails on rifles on my wish list in life... I mean a Roberts is a great choice. for a rebarrel...but... kinda like seeing a vintage 68 Z/28, sitting rolled in a ditch, that was put there by some 16yr old like David Hogg, when grandpa gave it to him for his first car...life ain't fair some days...
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my Remington 30s express is very nice ,before i owned this 30 express the caliber was a 25 and rifle had been rebarreled to a 270 WIN. with a Hart 20 inch barrel. i rebarreled this rifle to a 257 Roberts 25 inch Brux barrel and does it shoot well .this 30 express is the nicest i have ever seen but since the barrel had been change i just thought why not make it a 25 caliber again so i decided 257 Roberts had some great old history. this rifle will remain in my family cause it will be one of my grandkids rifle. i have been loading alot of 257 Roberts ammo for the grandkids future,i own 6 - 257 Roberts rifles to give to them.
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its been cold and nasty where i live ,i do have a heated shooting house but i do get mirage when its cold . today i shot one 5 shot group with the 25 Creedmoor i used H4831 s.c.with the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets ,i did have mirage kinda bad but manage a 1/2 inch group so maybe that `s the magic powder ? will try H4831 s.c. some more when its nicer outside , maybe this slower powder will help ?
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These look interesting, but the 1-7 twist requirement will limit the use. Dang I went 1-9 on my 25-06 should have gone faster. https://hammerbullets.com/product/257-cal-128g-hammer-hunter/
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today its 30 degrees and still, but had a little mirage out of my warm heated shooting house,but the 25 Creedmoor shot consistent 5 shot groups using Reloader 26 i shot 3 - 5 shot groups at 100 yards first group was 1/2- last two 5 shot groups were 7/16 ,i used 131 gr, Black Jack bullets. i also see just a little key hole in the target paper telling me maybe at 150 yards just might be perfect holes then ? next i gotta try those Nosler B.T. 115 gr. with this Reloader 26 ? i do think the 115 gr,Nosler B.T. bullets may shoot better groups with this rifle.
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today/Sunday i shot 3 - 5shot groups with new 115 GR. Nosler B.T. using Reloader 26 had some wind 15 mph 30 degrees again,2 - 5 groups were 1 inch, 1 group 1 1/4 inch this bullet does not like Reloader 26 and today i am cleaning the rifle finally with wipe-out,maybe its time for a clean barrel ? then i will shoot some more groups with the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets and Reloader 26 later this week,now that i found a powder that is consistent with these Black Jack bullets.
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my 257 Creedmoor started shooting poorer groups so i decided to clean the rifle and take the carbon out. i used J.B. bore cleaning compound its a dirty job but it works ,rifle went back to under a 1/2 inch at 100 yards 5 shot groups,with the 115 gr. black Nosler B.T.. but i still can not get those Black Jack bullets to shoot good consistent groups ,i give up on them with this rifle ? there is a small winter money shoot north of Princeton,Mn. this Sunday at 8 A.M. so i think i will take this 25 Creedmoor,distances are 100-500- yards and it only cost $40.00 and your own ammo to shoot with a free lunch. i would do better with some other rifles but i wanna see what this 25 Creedmoor does out at distances with these 115 GR, black Nosler B.T.,with the ballistic books and and some calculated guess work we will see what happens ?
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Sunday i went to the Winter rifle shoot as i expected i shot in the middle of the pack with a rifle i never have shot past 100 yards ,my calculations with using the reloading book were a little wrong my bullets hit high on the targets all day long.but this cartridge did seem to group well with Nosler 115 B.T. hunting bullets with the black coating. you only get 30 shots from a 100 - 500 yards at 2 different targets at each distance,sounds easy its not.at this shoot their are some very good shooters even a 1000 yd. national bench-rest winner and he didn`t win either. we talked about the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets nobody seems to feel these bullets shoot well ,but all think this 25 Creedmoor should shoot well but needs better bullets. i do have some Berger 115 gr 25 caliber bullets on the way to my business ,so that will be the next bullet i will try.whats nice about these Creedmoor cartridges is very little recoil and accurate which does make it more fun to shoot and play with at the rifle range.
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......You come across as uneducated or something do to your poor ability to type in a normal manner. I hope you speak better than you type. Due, not do.
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......You come across as uneducated or something do to your poor ability to type in a normal manner. I hope you speak better than you type. Due, not do. 😛
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At least you have some choices, though not what you set out to use. Making good bullets consistently appears to be tough. Maybe they'll catch on after a bit.
Hodgdon claims over 3000 with 115gr Bergers in the 6mm with Stabal6.5 (24"), so I'm calling it good.
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At least you have some choices, though not what you set out to use. Making good bullets consistently appears to be tough. Maybe they'll catch on after a bit.
Hodgdon claims over 3000 with 115gr Bergers in the 6mm with Stabal6.5 (24"), so I'm calling it good.
> a few target range reloader/shooters claim soon there should be more 25 caliber different target bullets available ? " i sure hope so ?"
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The Roberts when loaded to modern pressures has no shade really. (+P is good from factory producers) But saami specs on standard ammo leave it anemic. The "creedmore" version would be submitted as a higher pressure spec right from the start. By the way, Duane Spooner (sp?) of Duane's Gun repair came up with his pet the .257 DGR years ago by necking down the .260R and has reloading data and experience that should make load development for the "25 creedmore" a little easier. Some other options would be the .25 Souper, Dasher, and a couple others. The faster twist barrel should make it a fun project.
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i own 5 - 257 Roberts rifles they all shoot just fine. why am i playing with a 25 Creedmoor ? cause i can and good target brass "Lapua brass " is another factor.
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You will find the Bergers to shoot very well. I`ve used them for a number of years in my 250AI. 1x10 twist 26 inch comp. gun at 3K using RL-17. If they don`t, you have a problem other than bullets.
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You will find the Bergers to shoot very well. I`ve used them for a number of years in my 250AI. 1x10 twist 26 inch comp. gun at 3K using RL-17. If they don`t, you have a problem other than bullets.
Good Luck thank you that`s good news ,just got the Berger bullets i ordered so i do plan on loading them. i finally got all the carbon out of my 25 Creedmoor so i am ready again to shoot more.thanks again,Pete53
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I had really good results with the Berger 115 in a 257 roberts AI. I was shooting them through a 1/9 PacNor barrel on a Savage target action.
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Anyone come up with some load data for the 85-100 grain range of bullets?
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i kinda like Reloader 17 in my 257 Roberts and so far in the 25 Creedmoor also. i hope to get out shooting some more ,but since this virus has now got things shut down i have 2 little grandkids age 5 and 7 keeping me busy at my home.
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>as far as the 257 Roberts goes its a great cartridge and i own 4 - 257 Roberts rifles
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,i own 6 - 257 Roberts rifles
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i own 5 - 257 Roberts rifles. WTF ? No wonder you can't get the 131gr BJ to shoot !
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i own 5 - 257 Roberts rifles. WTF ? No wonder you can't get the 131gr BJ to shoot ! >99 such a negative reply maybe go see a psychiatrist so you can be a little more positive,life for you might be a little more fun. give up the keyboard tuff guy thing it makes you look foolish.
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i own 5 - 257 Roberts rifles. WTF ? No wonder you can't get the 131gr BJ to shoot ! >99 such a negative reply maybe go see a psychiatrist so you can be a little more positive,life for you might be a little more fun. give up the keyboard tuff guy thing it makes you look foolish. Yep, I'm the one that looks foolish !
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yesterday in Minnesota it was a nice still sunny day ,grandkids stayed home so i shot some 5-shot groups.i loaded up some 115 gr. Berger hunting bullets in used Lapua brass, first group was 3/4 inch brass after shooting those 5 shots the brass looked a little hot ? maybe too much powder so i went down 2 grains, i was using Reloader 17. next groups were all that 1/2 inch 5 shot groups with Reloader 17, brass looked better again afterwards ,i need to try some other powders with these Berger bullet too. i shot 1 group with 131 gr. Black Jack bullets again using same powder and Lapua brass ,first 3 shots were about 1/2 inch but with the next 2 shots ended up with a 1 inch group again. i am having a custom 3 inch forearm block plate made for this rifle should help front of stock side smoother when it recoils back and should hold more solid side to side in my target bench rest ,maybe that will give me some tighter groups too ?
sure wish Walt Berger would have designed some more different grained 25 caliber targets bullets ,i read Walt really liked the 25 caliber.but i do like these 115 gr. hunting Berger bullets they do shoot well as do the Nosler B.T. do also, i do see even better 5 shot group potential with these Berger bullets.
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BIB Bullets: https://bibullets.com/ .25 Cal.– 10 (TEN) Ogive, 88 Gr. FB, or, BT – BC – .39 FB/ .42 BT. Made in Niemi carbide dies: 10 ogive, 0.052″ meplat; .2575 pressure-ring; .2573″ shank. Twist rates: 88 Gr. FB, or, BT – 1:12″, or, faster. $575.00 per 1,000. .25 Cal.– 10 (TEN) Ogive, 110 Gr. BT : BC – .52. Made in Niemicarbide dies: 10 ogive, 0.052″ meplat; .2575 pressure-ring; .2573″ shank. Ideal twist rate: FB, 1:10″; BT 1:9.4″ $575.00 per 1,000. UNTIL further notice LIMITED Quantities.
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thanks for the reply on these good looking bullets, at looked at the BIB bullet site , i plan on calling them and ask if they can make heavier grained 25 caliber bullets .
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Randy makes very good bullets for the .25 cals. I just got another 250, 110`s from him. Nice to talk with too
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Randy makes very good bullets for the .25 cals. I just got another 250, 110`s from him. Nice to talk with too And make sure to pencil in two hours, and go to the bathroom before you call..... 
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some of the best bullets i ever shot were made by the smaller bullet makers,i better call this Randy !
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today / Saturday of Easter weekend it was a another very nice day , i did install the 3 inch wide x 9 inch nylon/plastic plate on bottom side of the forearm too on this rifle, i feel it makes this rifle more solid and sides easier in my target bench rest. i shot 2 - 5 shot groups with the 115 gr. Berger bullets both groups were 1/2 inch at 100 yards , also shot 1 - 5 shot group with Hornady ELD-X 110 gr. bullets that group was 5/8 at 100 yards. i do feel i may be able to make this rifle shoot even better with weighing new Lapua cases and neck turning these same new cases but it won`t be that much maybe 1/10 or 2/10 better in group size ? I also should call this Randy at BIB bullets next week. > have a GREAT EASTER DAY !
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i was able to shoot two 5 shot groups at my home at 100 yards,wife feels its spring cleanup time so i did not get to play much reloading ammo and shoot`n. i used some older Hornady 120 gr. flat base h.p. using Reloader 17 both groups were 1/2 inch,i was thinking maybe this 25 Creedmoor rifle i have likes flat base bullets better ? the reason i tried some flat base bullets i kept thinking about what an old friend " Johnny Bell" said sometimes certain barrels like flat base and sometimes some barrels like B.T., also Mule Deer on the fire on a reply mention this and the reason too. i did order some new flat base 115 gr.H.P. 25 caliber Hornady bullets, and a bunch of 25 caliber Nosler 115 gr. B.T. but as the wholesaler salesman said it will be a couple of weeks because of the virus before this order shows up. > those 2 groups with flat base bullets both had 3-4 shots in the same hole in the 5 shot groups so that just might be the answer for this rifle ? almost forgot to mention i did have some cross wind too when i starting shooting.
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Why is this thread called "257 Creedmoor Update"? Everywhere else the cartridge in question is referred to as the 25 Creedmoor. Whoever posts a thread can call it what they want, but down the road all the good data and discussion here will be lost when one searches for it under 25 Creedmoor.
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i hunt with 2 different cartridges 257 Weatherby Mag. and a 257 Roberts, i guess that`s why i call it a 257 Creedmoor ,which is the correct size of the bullet .257 , and i kinda feel its a neater sound too > 257 Creedmoor< . besides it is still a wildcat cartridge so the true name has not been established yet. here`s a question for you : why did Savage call their great cartridge 250 Savage ? maybe the other treads on this cartridge called 25 Creedmoor should change that name too 257 Creedmoor ,i bet for ammo manufactures - rifle manufactures will or would make more money calling it 257 Creedmoor too. so until it is a true manufactured cartridge instead of a wildcat cartridge i ain`t changing the name. here is the biggest problem with this bullet size .257 caliber not many bullet manufactures offer many different kinds of bullets or grain size or many good bullets yet either for this .257 caliber yet. it is a real shame they don`t because its proven 6 mm and 6.5 both are fine accurate bench rest bullets and a .257 is right in the middle of these 2 fine bullets,another thing there is a large group of rifle shooters who enjoy this bullet size, in many different size cases. > one more thought about the name Creedmoor why was it called Creedmoor ? it really is a Savage 250 case maybe the 6 and the 6.5 should have been called Improved Savage instead of Creedmoor ?
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Why is this thread called "257 Creedmoor Update"? Everywhere else the cartridge in question is referred to as the 25 Creedmoor. Whoever posts a thread can call it what they want, but down the road all the good data and discussion here will be lost when one searches for it under 25 Creedmoor. i hunt with 2 different cartridges 257 Weatherby Mag. and a 257 Roberts, i guess that`s why i call it a 257 Creedmoor ,which is the correct size of the bullet .257 , and i kinda feel its a neater sound too > 257 Creedmoor< . besides it is still a wildcat cartridge so the true name has not been established yet. here`s a question for you : why did Savage call their great cartridge 250 Savage ? maybe the other treads on this cartridge called 25 Creedmoor should change that name too 257 Creedmoor ,i bet for ammo manufactures - rifle manufactures will or would make more money calling it 257 Creedmoor too. so until it is a true manufactured cartridge instead of a wildcat cartridge i ain`t changing the name. here is the biggest problem with this bullet size .257 caliber not many bullet manufactures offer many different kinds of bullets or grain size or many good bullets yet either for this .257 caliber yet. it is a real shame they don`t because its proven 6 mm and 6.5 both are fine accurate bench rest bullets and a .257 is right in the middle of these 2 fine bullets,another thing there is a large group of rifle shooters who enjoy this bullet size, in many different size cases. > one more thought about the name Creedmoor why was it called Creedmoor ? it really is a Savage 250 case maybe the 6 and the 6.5 should have been called Improved Savage instead of Creedmoor ? Makes about as much sense, as everything else you post. ZERO. Communication, logic & the English language are not Pete's strong suit !
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I think the rest of the world is using 25 CM so I just thought it sad that all your "pioneering" load development will get lost unless someone knows to search on 257 CM. As to a reason for naming as you did, it makes perfect sense but perception and public onion never follow logic. Other than that, I appreciate you sharing all that you do. I'm planning on my own 25/257 foray into quick-twist & heavy-long bullets. I personally think that the 25 Creedmoor as it stands now, would have become by mid-summer a recognized, SAAMI standard cartridge - but the economic situation created by the Covid-19 pandemic, may put that on hold for another year. After Nosler did what they did with the 280 Ackley Improved (I wouldn't have had a problem if they had named it something else.), I think I'll wait until someone major like Hornady starts producing loaded ammo to fully 'lock down' the cartridge dimensions/specs. Having said that, big kudo's to Alpha for taking the first step by commercially offering its SMRP brass.
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99 do you have a problem with life ? your negative comments are sickning ,i see you are from Canada you make the good fire Canadians look very foolish. crawl back under your rock or go see a doctor so you get more positive with life,maybe stronger medication.
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I think the rest of the world is using 25 CM so I just thought it sad that all your "pioneering" load development will get lost unless someone knows to search on 257 CM. As to a reason for naming as you did, it makes perfect sense but perception and public onion never follow logic. Other than that, I appreciate you sharing all that you do. I'm planning on my own 25/257 foray into quick-twist & heavy-long bullets. I personally think that the 25 Creedmoor as it stands now, would have become by mid-summer a recognized, SAAMI standard cartridge - but the economic situation created by the Covid-19 pandemic, may put that on hold for another year. After Nosler did what they did with the 280 Ackley Improved (I wouldn't have had a problem if they had named it something else.), I think I'll wait until someone major like Hornady starts producing loaded ammo to fully 'lock down' the cartridge dimensions/specs. Having said that, big kudo's to Alpha for taking the first step by commercially offering its SMRP brass. i guess i would wait also tell this 25 cartridge becomes a manufactured cartridge and/or bullet makers build some better bullets. if old Walt Berger was younger this cartridge /257 Creedmoor -25 Creedmoor would for sure get some better attention with much better bullet types and weights. maybe these 131 gr. Black JACK bullets might preform better at the farther distances too ? hopefully soon i can get to a rifle range with farther distances then i will know for sure what i think of Black Jack bullets .i have the Black Jack ammo built to use at farther distances already.
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99 do you have a problem with life ? your negative comments are sickning ,i see you are from Canada you make the good fire Canadians look very foolish. crawl back under your rock or go see a doctor so you get more positive with life,maybe stronger medication. Pete, I'm actually an Australian. We call bull$it when we see it. See my next post !
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I think the rest of the world is using 25 CM so I just thought it sad that all your "pioneering" load development will get lost unless someone knows to search on 257 CM. As to a reason for naming as you did, it makes perfect sense but perception and public onion never follow logic. Other than that, I appreciate you sharing all that you do. I'm planning on my own 25/257 foray into quick-twist & heavy-long bullets. I personally think that the 25 Creedmoor as it stands now, would have become by mid-summer a recognized, SAAMI standard cartridge - but the economic situation created by the Covid-19 pandemic, may put that on hold for another year. After Nosler did what they did with the 280 Ackley Improved (I wouldn't have had a problem if they had named it something else.), I think I'll wait until someone major like Hornady starts producing loaded ammo to fully 'lock down' the cartridge dimensions/specs. Having said that, big kudo's to Alpha for taking the first step by commercially offering its SMRP brass. i guess i would wait also tell this 25 cartridge becomes a manufactured cartridge and/or bullet makers build some better bullets. if old Walt Berger was younger this cartridge /257 Creedmoor -25 Creedmoor would for sure get some better attention with much better bullet types and weights. maybe these 131 gr. Black JACK bullets might preform better at the farther distances too ? hopefully soon i can get to a rifle range with farther distances then i will know for sure what i think of Black Jack bullets .i have the Black Jack ammo built to use at farther distances already. Really, how, logically, is something that you are not happy with at 100, ever in logical reality, ever going to get better over a longer distance ?
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I believe that WV gunwriter Richard Mann created a 25 (257) Creedmoor that he calls the 2-Fity Hillbilly over 3 years ago.
If I get the itch to shoot a .257" bore rifle any time soon, I'm probably going to shoot a 25 WSSM before heading down a new path.
I've got 6MM and 6.5MM Creedmoors, so a 25(257) would serve what purpose other than to attempt to satisfy my curiosity?
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yep i understand i don`t have either a 6mm or 6.5 Creedmoor yet ? i have always liked the 25 caliber bullet that`s why i have been playing with this wildcat cartridge at paper targets. i do own 6 BR which is an excellent cartridge,also 6.5-284 in a custom bat action,with all the bells and whistles this rifle shoots 2`s and 3`s very easy. i have owned plenty bench and varmint rifles besides these two ,including a 6 PPC 40-x custom that i should have kept. sometimes its fun to try something others have not,i was shooting 7mm-08`s before this cartridge was ever manufactured,another one is a 6mm-284 another great cartridge that is very accurate. but my all time favorite bullet is like i said .257 bullet ,i have killed some huge whitetail bucks with a 257 Weatherby Mag. for the last 15 years or longer.
on another note i talked to Randy" BIB`S Bullets " he is out of 110 gr and can not get any jackets for a while. but he did tell me he had made some by hand 128 gr. 25 cal. bullets he is someday going to test,and that sounded very interesting.
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I'm a 25 caliber fan too, but it seems to me that the primary, maybe only, meaningful advantage that the Creedmoor case has over the **x51 case for the person who loads his/her own ammo is that it allows for the use of longer VLD bullets in a 2.83" magazine. As of 04/22/20, I haven't seen any component bullet manufacturers attempting to push any longer VLD bullets in 0.257" onto the market, nor have I seen any pull demand for them from consumers for them..
Manufacturers have shown more market awareness for the Creedmoors by cutting their barrels with quicker ROTs that will do a better job of stabilizing those longer VLD bullets, but with the 0.257" bore sandwiched between the 0.243" and 0.264" bores that already offer a significant and growing number of VLD bullet options, why would any ammunition or firearms manufacturer make the effort and investment to launch the 257 Creedmoor?
The biggest whitetail that I've ever killed had a live weight estimated a nearly 300 lbs. and was killed DIT by a 110 grain AB fired from a Winchester/USRA 70 in 25 WSSM. The same bullet, or one of similar construction, fired from any comparably sized 0.257" bore cartridge would likely have seen the same outcome, but I was going through my WSSM phase that year.
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I see Peterson is making 25 Creedmoor brass. Midway is selling it. Per Petersons reasons for producing this stuff, is they see a growing trend in comp. circles for this cartridge. I did watch one PRS video this past winter where one shooter was using it, with BJ bullets.
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i also hope someone or company builds heavier grain bullets for a .257 caliber,i have another reason i took a long action Remington model 30 express and put a new 7 1/2 twist -257 Roberts- 25 inch barrel on this action. yes i can get 115 gr.bullets to shoot well but i wanna try a better heavier grain bullet that will shoot a hole just cause i like that.my grandkids,wife ,daughter and myself in the future will all be using 257 Roberts, I have plenty 257 Roberts brass new and used ,plus enough rifles too. i have always had a real soft spot for the .257 bullet and the 2 cartridges 257 Weatherby Mags. , 257 Roberts and now for fun this 257 Creedmoor. we all need to ruffle the feathers somehow on these bullet manufactures to make heavier grained and better bullets for the 25 caliber ? here on the fire we do have some talented people who may be able too help us influence bullet manufactures big and small to build/make 25 caliber bullets better and heavier. you do have to say thank you to Black Jack bullets for trying to revive the 25 caliber also.
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They need to resurrect the Hunter class of target shooting where 25 cal. is the minimum. That might stir some activity for better bullets.
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I understand that Sierra is making the BJ 131 grn. bullet? If true, can`t ask for a much better co. to do that than they. I`m sure the speed at which this bullet sells tops the list for a reason to continue.
One reason why I think Pete is going backwards with testing 115 and 120 grners. I know they will shoot very well in my 10 twist rifles...I want to know how the 131`s shoot in the 8 twist barrels before I go that way.
Unlike the BJ site and company, Pete is not trying to sell the concept, so would like to see him and others continue testing with the 131`s.
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yes Sierra is making the 131 gr.B.J.
I fave 2 different cartridges 1 is the 257 Creedmoor,the other is a 257 Roberts both have brand new brux 7 1/2 twist barrels both shoot 115 gr. Nosler B.T. ,Hornady 120 gr. and 110 gr. and Berger 115 gr. bullets both rifles shoot consistence 1/2 -3/4 groups out of all these bullets with both rifles. i still am trying to get some kind of consistency with 131 gr. B.J. bullets.>> i like the concept but these 131 gr. bullets from Sierra /B.J. are not the true answer for me yet ? maybe i got 2 bad boxes of 500 ? but all the other bullets are just hunting bullets and the Berger 115 gr. hunting bullet is the most accurate of them all and cheaper too than B.J. 131 gr.. the machinist who built these rifles for me has built and machined target rifles that have won at the Nationals too, the late Jerry Simonson and this machinist were very close friends in the world of building rifles too. >>as far as a great bullet company Sierra is just ok now days Berger makes much better bullets just go ask the benchrest shooters who do well .
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Pete...I quess my point was that no Co. to date, that I know of, has made heavy .25 cal bullets other than Sierra, and they have a pretty good track record of making an accurate bullet.
If Brian Lutz can figgure one out for the .25, I`ll get a 7.5 twist barrel.
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went to the 200 and 300 yard range yesterday ,had some mirage at 200 yards and way to much mirage at 300 yards. but at 200 yards 115 gr. Berger hunting bullets even with mirage still shot 1 inch 5 shot groups.here in Minnesota ground is so moist yet we get to much mirage yet so these groups may be smaller if it was dry and as the day got warmer the mirage was worst too yesterday.at the end of my day of shooting i shot a 5 shot group with 115 Berger bullets at 100 yards and still shot 1/2 inch group ,it still amazes me how i can just reset the Nightforce scope back to zero and those bullets go right back to center of bulleyes.
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115 Berger`s - 1 inch
115 Nosler B.T.-1 1/2 inchs " these B.T. bullets have the black coating from Nosler"
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been wondering maybe if i use less pressure on the neck,maybe those 131 gr. B.J. bullets would group better ? i am using a Redding bushing die " 6.5 Creedmoor then change bushing to form it to a .257 Creedmoor cartridge " which this bushing was recommended a .282 bushing,i just ordered .283 and a .284. just maybe this simple change will help ?
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well i have tried to call Redding and they are also shutdown for now,so i e-mailed Redding no answer yet ,looks like this may take a while.
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Pete,
Have you tried any 100’s? I am interested in the cartridge for deer hunting.
What velocities with 100’s and please include barrel length.
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the barrel is 26 inches and no have not tried any 100 grainers out of this rifle . but i will try 100 gr. partitions at 100 yards soon.
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Please let me know. PM would be really helpful.
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ok will do we have high winds today maybe this weekend ?
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Pete...I quess my point was that no Co. to date, that I know of, has made heavy .25 cal bullets other than Sierra, and they have a pretty good track record of making an accurate bullet.
If Brian Lutz can figgure one out for the .25, I`ll get a 7.5 twist barrel.
Good Luck with your tests. i should mention this to you my 257 Roberts i built shoots 115 B.T. Noslers and 115 Berger bullets excellent 1/2-3/4 inch all day long with this new 7 1/2 twist,25 inch Brux barrel it is very impressive,if i played more with this 257 Roberts rifle it might even shoot better ? but its a hunting rifle so that`s good enough i am not hunting mice these 5 shot groups are good enough.
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Thanks for the info Pete, will keep that in mind. I`ve a new, 300 rnds down it, Pac-Nor chambered for the 250AI on the tube gun. Shoots so damned good I hate to change it. But, I`ve also SA 700, same chambering, that has many,many more down the tube. This one is my hunting rifle too, so that 7.5 twist does not sound that "over stabelization" is an issue with either of the 115grn bullets. Could be a good candidate for a barrel change.
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Sorry didn’t go through everyone’s comments on the thread, but the 257 Roberts, 257 CM and 25 Souper all perform the same. The Souper has been around for decades and fulfills the SA side easily in the .257. .257 bullets do not present the same COAL problems for SAs. The 308 Win family cases will do the same as a CM case when it comes to a .257. If I were to want a .25 Wildcat it would be 25-284. Plenty of 6.5-284 Norma brass available from Norma and Lapua. Would smoke all the other three in a SA. Nothing wrong with the other three, but a 6mm CM would cover the bases well in a SA, would have a tougher time keeping up with the 25-284.
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>sorry but my little experiment with a 257 Creedmoor just might becoming to an end not sure yet ? reason is i ordered a new Red Ruger M.C. Precision 6.5 Creedmoor this factory rifle has all the bells and whistles on it from the factory and 6.5 target bullets and hunting bullets are excellent ,have many options and easy too find and buy. besides i have plenty 6.5 target bullets already because i have a 6.5 -284 bat action bench rifle already. so if this Red Ruger rifle outshoots this 257 Creedmoor rifle ,i will either wait for a while for better hopefully .257 bullets or sell the barrel and B.J. bullets too ? there comes a time its better to try something different and/or drink the 6.5 Creedmoor kool-aid ? i am happy with the 257 Roberts Remington 30 express rifle i built that is a keeper and to me a great old rifle that will be handed down in my family, my 257 Weatherby Mag. Ruger #1 will always be my main deer rifle 100 gr. Nosler Partition going 3800 FPS > its my no track`em rifle if and when i squeeze the trigger on a big old Northern Minnesota whitetail buck. >>it still is disappointing that bullet manufactures have left out making different weight and target .257 bullets ,many of us know dang well it would and could be a great size caliber bullet for bench rest competition.
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was going to try some 100 grain Nosler Partitions out of my 257 Creedmoor today but its too windy,i did purchase a new Caldwell chronograph it uses phone for velocity of bullets you shoot ,will also store shot groups too,the app. is free when you purchase this chronograph which is kinda neat too.so hopefully either tonite or monday A.M. ?
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last week i treated the 257 Creedmoor barrel with DBC just to see if it stays cleaner ? today i shot one 5 shot group after i fired a couple of rounds to dirty the DBC clean barrel . my 5 shot group shot 3085 -3115 fps with 100 grain Nosler partitions group was under 1/2 inch with 4 in same hole .sun was out had a little wind too, this small cartridge shot fast and is accurate with most bullets i have used.would be a great cartridge to be manufactured and also have someone to make better target bullets for a 25 caliber too.
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well i don`t give up easy on a rifle,i will try other loads in this 257 Creedmoor, so as a gun dealer i purchased some Hornady .257 117 gr. SST bullets or just a flat base bullet to try in the 257 Creedmoor i have now loaded these bullets and waiting for the wind to quit here in Minnesota. i also reloaded those 5 used Lapua cases that i always shoot 1/2 inch groups with ,i used 131 gr. Black Jack bullets with less RL.17 powder that will be my other experiment those 5 cases that always shoot well with other type/brand bullets. i also purchased a new Ruger precision rifle that is half red and half black that is creo-coated in a 6.5 Creedmoor ,its really just a bolt AR platform type rifle but is very neat looking and comes with all the bells and whistles. i also did clean this new 6.5 Creedmoor barrel and put DBC in this 6.5 barrel takes a few days to dry per instructions.
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nice day today sunny and a small breeze only, so i shot the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets with my 5 used Lapua cases that shoot well always, 39 grains of Reloader 17 the group measured 1/2 inch shot at 100 yards. i also shot Hornady 117 gr.SST bullets with Reloader 17 with more powder they shot poorly 1 1/4 inch 5 shot group . i am going to try even lower amount or Reloader 17 and see what happens with both of these 2 bullets.i did not set up my new chronograph either,i probably should have set chronograph up but i was a little lazy today. have a great MEMORIAL Weekend and always thank a soldier !
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My 257 Roberts would not shoot the SST at all. 3-4 inch groups.
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My 257 Roberts would not shoot the SST at all. 3-4 inch groups. ya i did not like how those SST`S shot either but will try them again , maybe my 7 1/2 barrel twist is wrong for that type bullet ,it is a flat base ?
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i may have found the powder i should be using in this 25 Creedmoor ,not sure yet it`s Reloader 26 . for the last 2 days been trying different powders in a 6.5 Creedmoor and Reloader 26 seems to be the most consistent with 5 shot groups all 1/2 inch at 100 yards,last 2 groups i reduced powder charge down too 40 grs. RL.26 now 3/8 5 shot groups at 100 yards. so in the next few days i will start shooting the 25 Creedmoor with some RL.26 i think it is going to make a difference. now if someone would build some good 25 caliber target bullets !
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This has been a very interesting thread. Thanks.
My 6.5CM likes IMR 4451 best of what I have tried to date. Very consistent velocity and most accurate 3 & 5 groups.
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This has been a very interesting thread. Thanks.
My 6.5CM likes IMR 4451 best of what I have tried to date. Very consistent velocity and most accurate 3 & 5 groups.
Jim i don`t have any IMR 4451 ,i do have plenty RL 17 which is close to the powder you are using on the charts and that RL. 17 shot well too for me,i wanted to try powder closer to the bottom of the list which was RL. 26 , i have 2 kegs of this powder and i was surprised how well RL.26 worked.you may thing this is strange when i say this : this 6.5 Creedmoor Ruger precision recoiled and shot so smooth for me with RL.26 , i feel once you have shot bench rest a while sometimes you can feel kinda like what seems to work easier in a rifle ? so i have a mission to try this RL.26 in my 257 Creedmoor rifle also,so with fingers crossed that maybe even these Black Jack 131 gr. bullets shoot better and more consisted too in my rifle ?
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Have you tried Varget ? Recently tried some in my 6.5 CM. Worked very well with 95s, 120s, and 140s.
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Have you tried Varget ? Recently tried some in my 6.5 CM. Worked very well with 95s, 120s, and 140s. no but i have some i should try Varget too.thanks,Pete53
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You're one year into the 25 Creedmoor, hoping they start making good bullets and think maybe RL-26 is THE powder? They make 6 Creedmoors every day......
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today /June 24 th ,sunny, 70 degrees ,slight side breeze. i shot 2 - 5 shot groups using 40 grs. of Reloader 26 - 131 gr. Black Jack Bullets, the 257 Creedmoor finally is starting too shoot those Black Jack bullets well, 1st 5 shot group was a measured 5/16 , 2nd 5 shot group was 7/16 ,both groups had 4 in one hole and one lonely last shot just off a little. RL.26 seems to be a good powder for both my 257 Creedmoor and my 6.5 Creedmoor. i also want to mention a just got in 500 Hornady 6.5 -153 gr A-Tip Matched bullets and how well these bullets were packed in a box so nicely and for 100 per box price was very fare too. >now again : someone please make some 25 caliber target bullets and if someone knows Steve Hornady send him this post please. thank you,Pete53
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Try 6.5 StaBALL in those rifles.
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this mourning June 25th sunny and slight wind,75 degrees so i shot those 131 gr. Black Jack bullets again 2 - 5 shot groups same powder charge, same cases groups were poorer again both were 1 inch at 100 yards. so just to see whats going on i loaded 5 of the same lapua cases i just used with same powder charge but used Berger 115 gr. bullets had a 5/8 inch group - 5 shot - 100 yard group. i just can`t seem to get consistency with Black Bullets out of my rifle ? Berger bullets are always consistent for me as are Noster B.T. I kinda wonder if the B.J. bullets are not all from the same lot or something ?
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June 26 th 87 degrees,some wind and sunny,decided to shoot my 6.5 Creedmoor off the bench with Reloader 26 and 153 a-tip Hornady matched grade bullets without doing much but resize and load ammo . this rifle even in the heat and wind still shot 2 - 5 shot 100 yard groups both were 5/8 inch. > i feel the 2 things needed to make the 257 Creedmoor to shoot better groups are 1. better bullets 2. Redding to make 257 Creedmoor reloading dies . i have hardly shot this 6.5 Creedmoor and it just shoots good groups easy,reason is because 6.5Creedmoor has the better bullets and Redding makes good dies for this cartridge that`s the difference in these 2 fine cartridges. i am hoping soon that changes so i can use my 257 Creedmoor in our winter shoots ?
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>now again : someone please make some 25 caliber target bullets and if someone knows Steve Hornady send him this post please. thank you,Pete53 I don't understand building the boat far from the water, then expecting the water to come to you.
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>now again : someone please make some 25 caliber target bullets and if someone knows Steve Hornady send him this post please. thank you,Pete53 I don't understand building the boat far from the water, then expecting the water to come to you. Hahaha...that’s funny chit.
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June 26 th 87 degrees,some wind and sunny,decided to shoot my 6.5 Creedmoor off the bench with Reloader 26 and 153 a-tip Hornady matched grade bullets without doing much but resize and load ammo . this rifle even in the heat and wind still shot 2 - 5 shot 100 yard groups both were 5/8 inch. > i feel the 2 things needed to make the 257 Creedmoor to shoot better groups are 1. better bullets 2. Redding to make 257 Creedmoor reloading dies . i have hardly shot this 6.5 Creedmoor and it just shoots good groups easy,reason is because 6.5Creedmoor has the better bullets and Redding makes good dies for this cartridge that`s the difference in these 2 fine cartridges. i am hoping soon that changes so i can use my 257 Creedmoor in our winter shoots ? Why would you build a rifle in a cartridge with crappy bullets and dies then bitch about crappy bullets and dies?
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>now again : someone please make some 25 caliber target bullets and if someone knows Steve Hornady send him this post please. thank you,Pete53 I don't understand building the boat far from the water, then expecting the water to come to you. Another great way to put it.... LMAO
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ignore those two boys always have negative comments and always feel they are superior to the rest of us, > i was not bitching just stating a fact about bullets and dies, as far as the 257 Creedmoor i really felt the 131 grain bullets would work great but that bullet is not the answer it appears ? i do feel in the near future this size bullet .257 might start getting noticed more and some bullet manufacture might make a good target bullet or bullets ,its just a matter of time before someone makes a .257 Creedmoor too,would be a great cartridge in a Browning BLR too ?
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ignore those two boys always have negative comments and always feel they are superior to the rest of us, > i was not bitching just stating a fact about bullets and dies, as far as the 257 Creedmoor i really felt the 131 grain bullets would work great but that bullet is not the answer it appears ? Don't get butthurt. Just asking some basic questions about your decision making... Maybe it's you and not the BJ bullet?
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Forget those two clowns Pete. You're obviously making great progress on your own. Keep at it.
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thanks, those two are just computer keyboard tuff boys that feel they know so much more than the rest of us. >> now back to the 257 Creedmoor ,some of my problems with the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets is maybe its what dies i am using. i have a Redding 6.5 Creedmoor bushing die with a .282 neck bushing and a 6.5 Creedmoor seating die.i don`t want to be the first to have Redding build a set of coustom dies for me that kinda gets expensive . i have tried to contact Redding with no answer and will try again next week.. i would like to try and get these two bushings .283 & .284 and ask about 257 Creedmoor dies then.
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I had the same problems your experiencing with my 1 gauge tri barrel!!
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i called Redding,Wilson,Forester die companies some were too busy one company wanted to much money. got a hold of Greg at Straight Line Machining told me to get ahold of Whidden Gunworks,Whidden person said they will build me what i needed for a very good price, on 257 Creedmoor bushing form die ,5 bushings, and a seating die,but i need to send them 3 pre fired pieces of brass shot out of my rifle. that brass will be sent in a.m. tomorrow with my check too, i think this may help my group size too ?
i also want to mention just fired 3 new lapua brass cases that were neck down for my 257 Creedmoor with 115 Berger bullets,40 gr. RL.26 still shot a 3 - shot 3/8 group at 100 yards,these will be sent to Whidden gun works
Probably be around 30-45 days before i shoot this 257 Creedmoor again will wait for the new dies from Whidden Gunworks. have a great July 4th !
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I'm about tired of a-holes who hijack posts with negative comments that have no bearing on the discussion. Some of us are interested in this, so you other guys go screw yourselves.
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This thread has inspired me to finally make the leap and do an 8mm Creedmoor.
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Not sure if you're joking or not, RemModel8. I first thought that might be a case of diminishing returns but I remember reading a few years ago on a 6.5x47 Lapua thread (different site) where someone first tried the 7x47 and the performance from that little cartridge was very impressive. So considering the difference in case capacity between the Lapua and the Creedmoor, the 8mm CM isn't a stretch.
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I'm about tired of a-holes who hijack posts with negative comments that have no bearing on the discussion. Some of us are interested in this, so you other guys go screw yourselves. yep your very right ! some of these people are so full of themselves and i am still waiting for my 257 Creedmoor dies from Whidden,but i knew the wait was long too.
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i just talk to Berger bullets and asked if Berger had any plans to make some heavier grain 25 caliber bullets,Berger said not yet its been only thought about. what we need is more guys calling them and asking Berger if they plan on making 25 caliber heavier grain bullets for target shooters ? here is the Berger # 660-460-2802 thank you,Pete53
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no custom 257 Creedmoor dies yet ,Whidden is busy might be early November not sure ? but i do plan on using Berger 25 caliber bullets for deer season in my 257 Weatherby mag. since i read the Gun Gack III book by John Barsness and in his book how well Berger bullets worked on game animals. Pete53
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today the custom 257 Creedmoor Whidden dies were in the mail box ! but its now almost deer season with a rifle " Nov. 7th" so i am getting ready for that right now ,these new dies look very nice i do feel it should help with some accuracy too.
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Pete...might be interested in the Ultimate Reloaded, located on You Tube..he built a .25 Creed and is starting to test it.
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I didn't read this whole thing and may have suggested this before but I would try the 128 Hammer Bullets https://hammerbullets.com/product/257-cal-128g-hammer-hunter/Other Hammer bullets have shot well for me and I am using the 103s in a 257 Weatherby with good luck. One thought on the Black Jack bullets since they are made by Sierra most long range shooters would use a meplat uniformer on the Match Kings. BiBullets will do custom bullets as well as some others but will have a 1-5,000 minimum so maybe a group buy? Hammer will also do custom orders but not sure of their minimum. I would like to see the maximum for 1-10 twist bullet seems like they could go heavier than the 103.
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Have a couple of 250AI`s, 10 twist comp. gun and 10 twist sportter, 24 on the sportter, 26 on the tube gun. I`m going by memory here so could be faulty, but think Lutz`s info on .25grn. bullets 110 and over start to loose ballistic efficiency. Even Bergers 115 grn, which I shoot a lot of, is marginally stable, lowering BC. Talking with Swampy, JLK`s before he passed also suggested that, so stayed at 108 to 110 gns. From what I understand, BIB does the same.
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sorry guys but its still hunting season so i have none nothing but hunt . i have been thinking about this while sitting on my deer stand a lot : its about bullet seating using the Redding 6.5 Creedmoor seating die for my 257 Creedmoor cartridge seating i just wonder if all the bullets are off just a little bit ? like the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets and even the Berger 115 VLD bullets ? maybe now with these Whidden custom dies made perfect fit from my once fired Lapua brass i sent them ,that this custom seating die might help improve accuracy too ? like a 1/10 or 2/10`s ? things now that i do in my handloading of this cartridge do small things to improve accuracy.
>on the neat side on 25 Caliber bullets is i used Berger 115 gr. VLD target bullets killed one very large 10 pt. point /205 lb. dressed buck with this bullet ,and the bullet did a excellent job too ,i did use my Ruger #1 257 W.Mag. on this buck.
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Pete, my family killed a few deer with the 257 Weatherby with 9T Short freebore with the berger 115g Hunting this year, deer flopped instantly out to 370 yards, MV at 3600 on 26" barrels
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Is the 1-9" twist the fastest you would go in the .257 wthby.
I would like to order a barrel to build a .257 wthby. I would like to try some 131 gr Blachjack for long range coyotes in the winter and some lighter bullets the rest of the year. This is for a hunting gun. Will the lighter bullets stay intact with a fast twist ?
I see some 1-7, 1-8" , 1-9" barrels. Which brand of barrel do you like for the .25 cal. ?
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my rifle has a older brux barrel 1-10 twist 27 inch barrel , i am not sure how many deer or bigger bucks i have killed, i never counted them ,but my experience which may not be as many as some, i will say sometimes bigger bucks that i have shot thru the lungs or the heart will still run 20 - 50 yards after i shot them before these bucks tip over here in northern Minnesota.the 10 pt. 205 lb. dressed buck this year that i shot towards the end of the rifle season rutt time when i shot him thru the heart made it almost 50 yards and tipped over dead, these deer up next to the border of Canada are good sized too. > as far as shooting coyotes if you wanna save the hide the 257 Weatherby is not the cartridge you wanna use it will ripped the hide up bad maybe blow the coyote in 2 pieces. i use a 220 Swift with 60 gr. Nosler Partitions using this bullet in the Swift cartridge saves my hides to sell for a small profit.i also have a Noreen AR-10 in a 243 Win. that i use 85 gr. Nosler partitions for long range fire power and this cartridge does not ruin hides either. Pete Noreen lives near Missoula,Montana i would build a AR-10 much better coyote rifle , if you live in Montana many times i call in 2 or 3 coyotes at a time and a good semi-auto in a AR is the way to go. good luck
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HalH I would go faster for the 257 Wby. If I re-barrel I want to shoot the 128 Hammer and they recommend a 1-7" twist. I think a 1-7.5 might work but would have to check the numbers. It would shoot all bullets but the lighter weight varmint and target bullets which are too frangible for the Weatherby anyway.
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yes i know the 131 gr Black Jack Bullets are made by Sierra and will work ok on deer,i am hoping some other bullet maker like Barnes,Nosler or Hornady build some heavier .257 bullets too ? so we will see ? Have you looked at Hammer all copper bullets?
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Why is this thread called "257 Creedmoor Update"? Everywhere else the cartridge in question is referred to as the 25 Creedmoor. Whoever posts a thread can call it what they want, but down the road all the good data and discussion here will be lost when one searches for it under 25 Creedmoor. i hunt with 2 different cartridges 257 Weatherby Mag. and a 257 Roberts, i guess that`s why i call it a 257 Creedmoor ,which is the correct size of the bullet .257 , and i kinda feel its a neater sound too > 257 Creedmoor< . besides it is still a wildcat cartridge so the true name has not been established yet. here`s a question for you : why did Savage call their great cartridge 250 Savage ? maybe the other treads on this cartridge called 25 Creedmoor should change that name too 257 Creedmoor ,i bet for ammo manufactures - rifle manufactures will or would make more money calling it 257 Creedmoor too. so until it is a true manufactured cartridge instead of a wildcat cartridge i ain`t changing the name. here is the biggest problem with this bullet size .257 caliber not many bullet manufactures offer many different kinds of bullets or grain size or many good bullets yet either for this .257 caliber yet. it is a real shame they don`t because its proven 6 mm and 6.5 both are fine accurate bench rest bullets and a .257 is right in the middle of these 2 fine bullets,another thing there is a large group of rifle shooters who enjoy this bullet size, in many different size cases. > one more thought about the name Creedmoor why was it called Creedmoor ? it really is a Savage 250 case maybe the 6 and the 6.5 should have been called Improved Savage instead of Creedmoor ? Makes about as much sense, as everything else you post. ZERO. Communication, logic & the English language are not Pete's strong suit ! You sir, are a complete dick....but I suspect your wife and others have already told you that.
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yes i know the 131 gr Black Jack Bullets are made by Sierra and will work ok on deer,i am hoping some other bullet maker like Barnes,Nosler or Hornady build some heavier .257 bullets too ? so we will see ? Have you looked at Hammer all copper bullets? no i have not yet ,have you tried them ? i will check them out right now ! i did order 200 of 128 gr. Hammer bullets expensive but sure look nice also. thank you much,Pete53
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tarquin.lighten up.from 0 to a 100 that quick.
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my 257 bee is going to start being built in about a week.about twist rates i went with a 1-8.was literally driving myself nuts between 1-7 or 1-7.5 and the 8.want to shoot and try 100 grainers up to the new 131 grainers.
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tarquin.my apologies.i only looked at page 10.went back and read entire post.the cart before the horse is what i thought.
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i have not shot these 128 gr. Hammer bullets yet but these bullets sure look impressive.right now i am busy getting ready for our winter shoots with a Ruger 6.5 Creedmoor precision red rifle for now.
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tarquin.my apologies.i only looked at page 10.went back and read entire post.the cart before the horse is what i thought. No worries.
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i can`t seem to post pictures of my new 257 Creedmoor Whidden dies and these new Hammer bullets , both are very impressive. someone send me the procedure to post pictures please. Pete53
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Pete..nice load up date from the Ultimate Reloader, YouTube..might be of interest to you.
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Pete..nice load up date from the Ultimate Reloader, YouTube..might be of interest to you. i sent that site a message about the 25 Creedmoor /257 Creedmoor thank you,Pete53
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ok i set up the custom Whidden dies i had made for my 257 Creedmoor with my my once fired brass, i resized once fired brass from this rifle with the bushing die ,bushing i used was .283 because this Lapua brass has not been neck turned. the Whidden seating die holds bullets better while seating them and which should help keep bullets more concentric like the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets, also the 128 gr. Hammer bullets are longer than these Black Jack bullets too. my 1st 7 shells loaded are with the Black Jack 131 gr. bullets. i should explain the seating bullet die i used before it was a regular 6.5 Creedmoor Redding seating die as what was told to use in the video i watched,i felt the .25 caliber bullet was loose in the .264 seating die a little . today i plan on starting shooting the 257 Creedmoor its nice and still outside and should be around 30 degrees , my 1st 5 shot group will be 131 gr, Black Jack bullets at 100 yards with Reloader 17 powder my records showed this powder so far has worked well. will try 2 - 5 shot groups with these Black Jack bullets 1st, then 2- 5 shot groups 128 gr. Hammer bullets with every thing used the same besides the bullet.
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I’m a 25 cal fan and my wife shoots a 250AI. So with that said I understand hunting with 25 calibers and a few months ago plenty of decent hunting bullets were available. I’m just curious what you’re trying to do here that couldn’t be done much easier by dropping down to .243 or stepping it up to .264?
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I’m a 25 cal fan and my wife shoots a 250AI. So with that said I understand hunting with 25 calibers and a few months ago plenty of decent hunting bullets were available. I’m just curious what you’re trying to do here that couldn’t be done much easier by dropping down to .243 or stepping it up to .264?
rifle looney`s are always doing reloading projects before that cartridge ever becomes manufactured by ammo companies. i was 7 years ahead of ammo factories with a 7mm-08 ,the one cartridge that never has been developed by ammo factories and should be is 6mm -284 or even a 25 -284. i own 243`s ,264`s and even a 256 Newton all fun stuff. but the .257 or 25 caliber bullet is way over looked and very accurate, and a great hunting bullet too, i have always been a fan of the 25 caliber bullet. yes i may own 2 - 6.5 Creedmoor target rifles both are very accurate but i still prefer a 25 caliber cause i can . tomorrow or tonight i will post what i have done while shooting my 257 Creedmoor rifle today off my cement bench with target rests at 100 yards / 5 shot groups. what i am trying to do is consistent 5 shot accuracy under a 1/2 inch at 100 yards ,not just 1 good group to take pictures and show off to your friends . i have a few of these rifles now including a 7mm-08 but i like new toys, i have my own legal approved 100 yard rifle range with a heated shooting house 200 feet from my home out in the country so it just easy for me too build what i want for a cartridge and 10 miles from my house the machinist who builds national benchrest rifles that win lives.wildcat cartridges are just neat to own and use and the Creedmoor brass case is an excellent one and easy to find and buy too, which makes us Looneys very happy too.
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yesterday i reloaded and shot 4 - 5 shot groups at 100 yards all were measured. i do believe these groups are better because i had the correct size dies" Custom Whidden dies " , before i was using my 6.5 Creedmoor dies with a .282 bushing in resizing bushing die and just a 6.5 seating die, i just felt these dies.were to loose for .257 caliber . with my new custom dies i used a .283 bushing in resizing die, with twice fired Lapua cases,Fed.205 primers, Reloader 17 in all groups > 1st 5 shot group with 131 gr. Black Jack bullets was 1/2 inch ,4 are in a 1/4 inch hole. , 2nd group with 131 gr.Black Jack bullets was 11/16 inch 4 are are a 1/4 inch hole. 3rd group was with 128 gr. Hammer bullets and i had to use .280 bushing in bushing resizer die to keep bullets tight in neck the group was poor 1 1/2 inch 5 shot group.
now this is the interesting part i had 7 shells that i had reloaded beforethat i had figured out how tight i needed necks to hold the hammer bullet firm started with .283 ended with .280 bushing in resizing die , all 7 of the different bushing size setup Hammer bullets in cartridge would turn but you could not push or pull them out so i decided to just shoot all 7 even if they all were a little different. those 7 loose bullets shot in a 3/4 group in a 1 inch square bulleye , so i decided too resize with the .283 bushing reload and shoot a group of 5 cartridges with these 128 gr. Hammer bullets ,seated them out a little more, dropped down 2 grs.of RL. 17 powder , i knew all 5 were loose and you could turn them but they would not pull or push in by hand these Hammer bullets have ring groves like Barnes bullets maybe that`s why they should have more neck pressure for hunting but this was for accuracy, so i shot these 5 loose Hammer bullet/cartridges and shot a 3/8 inch hole maybe a little less. so now i am wondering should i try a .284 bushing and loosen up the neck some for the 131 gr. Black Jack bullets ? i will also try the Hammer bullets more too , i will also say 131 gr. Black Jack bullets are now more consistent in group sizes with these custom Whidden dies, the method i seen on a video for using 6.5 Creedmoor dies is not the answer for reloading 257 Creedmoor ammo for accuracy you need 257 Creedmoor dies for a better cartridge to shoot.
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I do hope some firearm company and some ammo factory decide to manufacture this cartridge the 257 Creedmoor in a unique rifle with some good ammo ,many of us enjoy using the 25 caliber .
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I do hope some firearm company and some ammo factory decide to manufacture this cartridge the 257 Creedmoor in a unique rifle with some good ammo ,many of us enjoy using the 25 caliber . I highly doubt you’ll get your wish. They already have cartridges on both sides of your wildcat that’s extremely popular with way more manufacturer support for bullets brass dies ammunition and firearms. I would expect to see a 22 creedmoor at some point after things get back to normal’ish.
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vacrt2002 ,thanks for showing that post again about Peterson brass making and selling 25 Creedmoor brass and now out of stock too ! so it looks like the jury is still out on a 257 Creedmoor ? i still think there is a piece a pie out there for new .257 caliber more than another new .224 caliber ? maybe these manufacturers are looking for something new and different with a unique name ? better bullets for a .257 are now being made , Peterson is making 25 Creedmoor brass, Whidden makes the dies and you can by 25 Creedmoor reamers very easy too. i bet some rifle manufacture chambers the 25 Creedmoor rifle next I expect.
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Hey Pete...see the new 25 cal bullet from Berger??
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