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I keep forgetting to ask you how your great-great grandkids are doing.

My sisters 4 daughters are all up in arms about the "concentration camps". Saw a note from one of them looking for support and funds to help the poor children who are incarcerated there, abused there, etc. Such ignorant blind snowflakes.

Have not visited Auschwitz, but I have seen elderly Jewish people with the tattoos. Chilling reminder. My sister in law is the administrator of a Jewish elderly day care. Not a nursing home. Many of them would share their story with you.

I cant imagine what they endured.

The focus should be on Nazi's AND Commies, with AND being the key word. The last thread on this turned into an argument, with most people missing the point. Yes, the Nazi's did indeed put people to death, not just Jews, but people of any nationality or group that they didn't like or trust. BUT.....the Soviets under Stalin were even worse.

That is something that is more often than not left out of the conversations about the WW2 atrocities. No one can argue that Auschwitz didn't exist, as the proof is there, just as the proof is there in the tattoos on the arms of the Jews that survived. Sadly though, the Commies were on the winning side of the war, and they didn't have their death camps and killing fields exposed.

in many respects if not all respects, stalin and the communists were worse than what happened under hitler.
To answer one of the comments posted here, a good friend of mine, now deceased, was decended from polish and german jews. He had no family in europe left due to the extermination programs. I asked him the question one time, why did people not run to get out of the country?
His comment was that jews lived side by side with their various countrymen for many years, without much trouble, and they just couldn't imagine the same people they sold bread to turning on them the way it happened.

Auschwitz is a particular area of interest to me. My grandmothers home village is about 60miles south of there. I am not jewish, but a whole bunch of my half sisters family have a polish/jewish name, and they have been in this country a long time. Most are catholic.
But the great grandfather was a russian/polish jew. When i was doing the family tree research, i researched the name, and found stuff for the ones in the family that have that name, that in some ways i wish i hadn't found the information. Whole bunch of their distant european relatives ended up in auschwitz. And i recovered a picture from the national holocaust museum of a train dropping off jews at auschwitz, and the picture of one of them identified by name. I asked my sister about that name, she remembers a cousin in california with the same name, probably named after that arrival at auschwitz.
It doesn't go away. It has particular impact giving bernie sanders and the other dimwits in this country thinking socialism/communism is such a wonderful thing.

in my perspective, i see the national socialist party of germany, and stalin's russia, being two sides of the same card.
too much power in too limited hands.
And somebody always claiming they know what's best for me.
Looking back at over 1000years of european history and my family wandering through it, it seems clear the problem mostly has always been a government, with the peasants doing the majority of the dieing.

This, according to our KOTY Emeritus, only constitutes "mistreating"..

You don't have to look far many soldiers that died at the Little Big Horn were immigrants. Look at the make up of US Military today. Many come from poor American families or are recent immigrants. Armchair Generals like Bolton are more than willing to fight needless wars to the last American soldier. The ones that died fighting in Vietnam died for nothing. The only good thing I can think off is they died so some of their comrades could come back home alive. What amazes me is they still allow their kids and grandkids to serve in the military. I guess the moral is the rich and influential will always [bleep] the poor.

Agreed.

...and the main reason all those people died is because our bombing cut the supply lines to those camps.

She was invited by a ranking Polish politician to come and see what real concentration camps looked like, but declined saying it was a far-right wing ploy.

A good read on this topic is Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland. They were not all Germans or SS. Many were neighbors from the same villages, who willing rounded up Jews and led them to their deaths. They kept meticulous records, which are documented in the book.

Never think that it could never happen again.

Paul

It could happen anywhere in any country.

Put twenty people in a room for a week and they won't have organised a leader or solved any problems, but London to a brick they will have worked out who to hate with-in the first five minutes of meeting.

Wrong, wrong and spoken like a true communist...

It wasn't only the Jews who suffered:

Although Jews were the primary victims of the Nazi's evil, many other groups were targetted based on both racial and political grounds. Other groups singled out by the Nazis included LGBTQ individuals, the physically and mentally disabled, Roma (gypsies), Poles and other Slavic peoples, Jehovah's Witnesses, and members of political opposition groups. However tragic, these non-Jewish victims are typically not considered victims of the Holocaust. According to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial Museum in Jerusalem, “By the 1950s, the English term Holocaust came to be employed as the term for the murder of the Jews in Europe by the Nazis. Although the term is sometimes used with reference to the murder of other groups by the Nazis, strictly speaking, those groups do not belong under the heading of the Holocaust, nor are they included in the generally accepted statistic of six million victims of the Holocaust.”

Why Did Hitler Kill 11 Million People?

First we need to examine Hitler’s egocentric and maniac ideology. Hitler, who was Chancellor of Germany during the Holocaust, came to power in 1933 when Germany was experiencing severe economic hardship. Hitler promised the Germans that he would bring them prosperity and that his military actions would restore Germany to a position of power in Europe.

Hitler had a vision of a Master Race of Aryans that would control Europe. He used very powerful propaganda techniques to convince not only the German people, but countless others, that if they eliminated the people who stood in their way and the degenerates and racially inferior, they - the great Germans would prosper.

Neighboring Poland - The First Target: “All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles.” Heinrich Himmler

Hitler’s first target was Germany’s closest neighbor to the east, Poland. An agricultural country with little military power. Hitler attacked Poland from three directions on September 1, 1939 and, in just over one month, Poland was overrun.

In Poland, Hitler saw an agricultural land in close proximity to Germany, populated by modest but strong and healthy farmers. Hitler quickly took control of Poland by specifically wiping out the Polish leading class -- the Intelligentsia. During the next few years, millions of other Polish citizens were rounded up and either placed in slave labor for German farmers and factories or taken to concentration camps where many were either starved and worked to death or used for scientific experiments.

The Jews in Poland were forced inside ghettos, but the non-Jews were made prisoners inside their own country. No one was allowed out. The Germans took over the ranches, farms and Polish factories. Most healthy citizens were forced into slave labor. Young Polish men were drafted into the German army. Blond haired children were “Germanized” and trained from an early age to be Nazi supporters.

Jehovah's Witnesses

Every European country, even Germany, had those who did not believe in the Nazi ideology and who were willing to die for their beliefs. Perhaps no other group stood so firmly in their beliefs as the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Hitler felt particularly threatened by this strong group of Christians because they, from the very beginning, refused to recognize any God other than Jehovah.

When asked to sign documents of loyalty to the Nazi ideology, they refused. Jehovah’s Witnesses were forced to wear purple armbands and thousands were imprisoned as “dangerous” traitors because they refused to take a pledge of loyalty to the Third Reich.

Roma Gypsies

Like the Jews, the Roma were chosen for total annihilation solely because of their race.

Even though Jews are defined by religion, Hitler saw the Jewish people as a race that he believed needed to be completely annihilated. Likewise, the Roma Gypsies were a nomadic people that were persecuted throughout history. Both groups were denied certain privileges in many European countries. The Germans believed both the Jews and the Gypsies were racially inferior and degenerate and therefore worthless.

The Gypsies were also moved into special areas set up by the Nazis and half a million of them - representing almost the entire Eastern European Gypsy (Roma) (Roma) population - was wiped out during the Holocaust.

Courageous Resisters

Every European nation had its courageous resisters. Poland’s Underground army - made up of children, teenagers, men and women - was responsible for defending the lives of thousands of its Jewish and non-Jewish citizens. Many were killed for their acts of courage against the Nazis.

Even though most German citizens were supportive of Hitler’s plan to control Europe, there were German citizens who died because they refused to go along with Hitler’s plan.

Priests and Pastors Died for Their Beliefs

Hitler wanted not only to conquer all of Europe, but Hitler also wanted to create a new religion and to replace Jesus Christ as a person to be worshipped. Hitler expected his followers to worship the Nazi ideology. Since Catholic priests and Christian pastors were often influential leaders in their community, they were sought out by the Nazis very early. Thousands of Catholic priests and Christian pastors were forced into concentration camps. A special barracks was set up at Dachau, the camp near Munich, Germany, for clergymen. A few survived; some were executed, but most were allowed to die slowly of starvation or disease.

Pink Triangles for Homosexuals

Because Hitler’s plan for a great Master Race had no room for any homosexuals, many males from all nations, including Germany, were persecuted, tortured and executed. Hitler even searched his own men and found suspected homosexuals that were sent to concentration camps wearing their SS uniforms and medals. The homosexual inmates were forced to wear pink triangles on their clothes so they could be easily recognized and further humiliated inside the camps. Between 5,000 to 15,000 homosexuals died in concentration camps during the Holocaust.

No Place for the Disabled

The Nazis decided that it was a waste of time and money to support the disabled. During Hitler’s “cleansing program,” thousands of people with various handicaps were deemed useless and simply put to death like dogs and cats.

Sterilization for Black Children

Prior to World War I, there were very few dark-skinned people of African descent in Germany. But, during World War I, black African soldiers were brought in by the French during the Allied occupation. Most of the Germans, who were very race conscious, despised the dark-skinned “invasion”. Some of these black soldiers married white German women that bore children referred to as “Rhineland Bastards” or the “Black Disgrace.” In Mein Kampf, Hitler said he would eliminate all the children born of African-German descent because he considered them an “insult” to the German nation.

“The mulatto children came about through rape or the white mother was a whore,” Hitler wrote. “In both cases, there is not the slightest moral duty regarding these offspring of a foreign race.” The Nazis set up a secret group, Commission Number 3, to organize the sterilization of these “Rhineland Bastards” to keep intact the purity of the Aryan race. In 1937, all local authorities in Germany were to submit a list of all the mulattos. Then, these children were taken from their homes or schools without parental permission and put before the commission. Once a child was decided to be of black descent, the child was taken immediately to a hospital and sterilized. About 400 children were medically sterilized -- many times without their parents’ knowledge.

Death or Divorce - A Choice for Many

Many husbands and wives of Jews in Germany were forced to choose between divorce or concentration camps. Hitler would not allow “interracial” marriages. Those that chose to remain married were punished by imprisonment in camps where many died.

See:

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/non-jewish-victims-of-the-holocaust
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

You dont have a clue, do you?

good post...

interesting about the witnesses.
i know a guy, worked with him for a while that is a ethnic serbian, that came to this country. Still a witness.
he was interesting on multiple counts being a serbian, to my croatian/slavic background, lots of tasteless pointed jokes on both sides.
but he had various points described what they were facing in serbia even after the war, the war was before he was born.
I think there had to be tacit support among native populations beyond doubt for some of hitler's policies.
I know as a kid in the early 50's, gypies coming through with their trailer caravans, my mother would hardly let me out of the house fearing
i would be kidnapped. And that was a holdover i think from the old country.
One other thing i remember from childhood, was a good way to set my slavic grandmother off cussing in three different languages or so was to even mention the word russian.
I know i lost people in those camps.
one american relative was visiting on unije, a croatian island, when the war broke out. several years into the war the gestapo came and collected him, never to be heard from again. He was an american citizen, but because of that the story goes he was considered a spy.
This stuff seems to be on my mind more than usual these days, watching some of the pop tarts like sanders and cortez in washington, and the
ignorance of the youth around me, that have no sense of what the world around us really is.

Oh they know, they just don't think they will be paying the price.

I know a ton of Gypsies today. Do you have an 85 year old grandmother who wants to pay $30k for a half inch of asphalt on her postage stamp driveway? If you do, I can hook her up.