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Hey guys I have a Smith @ Wesson 636 357 mag and looking for a few good loads. One, I'd like a good hunting load for deer. Two, I want a good plinking load that's accurate and cheap for practice.
I have RCBS carbide 3 die set and 100 pieces of Starline brass and that's it. Thought I'd ask before I pick up powder, bullets, primers. Thanks
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Just started loading for mine and loaded a few with 5.5 grains of Longshot and some 158 LSWC that are hard cast and powder coated. Shot ok out at 25 yds need to tweak it and look for the sweet spot or try some other powder.
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158 gr LSWC and Unique make a great 'plinking' load that will also work just fine on deer. If you want to go hotter, 300-MP and a 158 gr LSWC or XTP will run 1200 fps out of a 4 5/8" barrel.
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Thanks for the info! I'll be working my loads up and see how it pans out. I'll be happy at about 1,000fps.
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You should be able to get 1,000 out of unique, with 1/3 the powder you would use in MP300.
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My goto is 14.5gr of 2400 behind a Nosler 158gr JHP.
It's been working well for me for the last 20 years.
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Great info really appreciate everyone's input/ advice!
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I shot several coyotes and Javelina with
125g Sierra, Winchester, and Rem HP 17.8g of IMR 4227 Mag cci primer This load kills very well.
158g Hornady Speer deep curl is a world class choice With close to max load of H110 was accurate.
Note, Speer makes a 125g Gold Dot bullet that penetrates very, very well with the load above for 125g bullets for hogs and does.
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I use H-4227 in W-W cases to power 158gr cast performance hardcast bullets to 1396 fps in an old S&W pre-27? 8-3/8ths inch barreled 357 mag revolver, a very nice well balanced accurate load, not a revolver hunter, but, I don't think a buck deer can hold one.
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13 gr 2400 with 158 gr XTP and 4.5 gr W231, or Universal Clays with a 158 gr cast or a 125 gr JHP
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For a hunting load 158/160 grain bullet with 15 grain 296/H110 or 180 grain with 13 grains H110/296 both loads with small magnum pistol primer.
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i am one of those oddballs that has never liked H110 or 296 mainly because the start and max load are so close to each other. unique or 2400 or some other powder works for me.
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I use H-4227 in W-W cases to power 158gr cast performance hardcast bullets to 1396 fps in an old S&W pre-27? 8-3/8ths inch barreled 357 mag revolver, a very nice well balanced accurate load, not a revolver hunter, but, I don't think a buck deer can hold one. At ~ 1400 fps and that bullet? I doubt it too, gunner.
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13 gr 2400 with 158 gr XTP and 4.5 gr W231, or Universal Clays with a 158 gr cast or a 125 gr JHP Universal 4.5-5 is a pleasure to shoot with 158 cast, in 357 Mag brass
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First off I don't know what a model '636' is ? I've been a S&W shooter competitor for over forty years and admit to not following the current band of boneheads running the company these days but this model escapes me. Is this a typo and should be 686 ? Is the revolver a L or K frame as the pressure tolerance between the two is major. Finally I have to say asking for load info on a board full of variables like this, or any, is not a smart play unless of course you're trying to determine the modulus of elasticity of your revolver's top strap.
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First off I don't know what a model '636' is ? I've been a S&W shooter competitor for over forty years and admit to not following the current band of boneheads running the company these days but this model escapes me. Is this a typo and should be 686 ? Is the revolver a L or K frame as the pressure tolerance between the two is major. Finally I have to say asking for load info on a board full of variables like this, or any, is not a smart play unless of course you're trying to determine the modulus of elasticity of your revolver's top strap.
Good luck Typo, its a 686 I've been reloading for over 30 years and have yet to have any problem. My question for all the fellas was mostly to find out what bullets/ powder combos have worked well for them and the due diligence is on me. As an example of due diligence I fully understand that H110 that I plan to use can have a serious issue if the starting load is too low. I also fact check each recommended load with a load Manuel. The load manuels can give you hundreds of loads but it is only the guys on this forum that can tell you which of those 100s of loads worked the best. It is much appreciated and likewise words of caution are also appreciated Trystan
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2400 with a Barnes 125 grain XPB will do a good job on Bambi. Not cheap for plinking though. BUT... nothing says you can't use cheap lead core bullets for plinking and the XPBs for Bambi.
The well recognized propensity of Barnes copper bullets to go all the way through is what you want for hunting and I have tested the 125 grain XPBs down below 900 FPS and they produce ad copy expansion in water jugs down there. Velocity is good and 2400 will give you >1600 FPS and if you think you need more, there are powders that will provide almost 1900. 2400 is pretty hard to beat for an all around 375 mag powder though.
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I use H-4227 in W-W cases to power 158gr cast performance hardcast bullets to 1396 fps in an old S&W pre-27? 8-3/8ths inch barreled 357 mag revolver, a very nice well balanced accurate load, not a revolver hunter, but, I don't think a buck deer can hold one. At ~ 1400 fps and that bullet? I doubt it too, gunner. You bet LD, I need to wait on the perfect north wind and get deep into that pine thicket and test it out, I had a doe in there with my long bow last year at 6 yards, drew on her just to see if I could, let her walk, maybe even I can hit a deer with a revolver at 6 yards. And HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!
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I use H-4227 in W-W cases to power 158gr cast performance hardcast bullets to 1396 fps in an old S&W pre-27? 8-3/8ths inch barreled 357 mag revolver, a very nice well balanced accurate load, not a revolver hunter, but, I don't think a buck deer can hold one. At ~ 1400 fps and that bullet? I doubt it too, gunner. You bet LD, I need to wait on the perfect north wind and get deep into that pine thicket and test it out, I had a doe in there with my long bow last year at 6 yards, drew on her just to see if I could, let her walk, maybe even I can hit a deer with a revolver at 6 yards. And HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!! Lol. Thanks, gunner!
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Well I got around to trying a few loads.
The 180 Hornady XTP with 14 grains of H110 shot 5 into an inch at 20 yds with 1 slightly out. I'm happy with that!
I loaded some 158 Speer SP with 16 gr H110 and 16.5 and both were right at 2 1/2 inch 6 shot groups.
I'm going to keep the 180 hornady load for hunting and see if I can't find a good powder to work up a mild plinking load for the 158 speers. I'm guessing the 158s will group a lot better with a milder load.
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