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Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)
Clement was a 2nd century church father. The following is taken from his writing called The Instructor, which I’m citing from the very last page of Book III entitled To The Paedagous:
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“And when the seasons, in their circling course,
Winter and summer, spring and autumn, each
Should come, according to well-ordered plan;
Out of a confused heap who didst create
This ordered sphere, and from the shapeless mass
Of matter didst the universe adorn;--
Grant to me life, and be that life well spent,
Thy grace enjoying; let me act and speak
In all things as Thy Holy Scriptures teach”
(Ante-Nicene Christian Library, Vol.1).
Clement says the he learned from the scriptures about the sphere of the earth.
Greeks know the earth was spherical at least as early as the 5th century BC if not 100 years before that.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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How long do you think man's been around?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)
Clement was a 2nd century church father. The following is taken from his writing called The Instructor, which I’m citing from the very last page of Book III entitled To The Paedagous:
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“And when the seasons, in their circling course,
Winter and summer, spring and autumn, each
Should come, according to well-ordered plan;
Out of a confused heap who didst create
This ordered sphere, and from the shapeless mass
Of matter didst the universe adorn;--
Grant to me life, and be that life well spent,
Thy grace enjoying; let me act and speak
In all things as Thy Holy Scriptures teach”
(Ante-Nicene Christian Library, Vol.1).
Clement says the he learned from the scriptures about the sphere of the earth.
Greeks know the earth was spherical at least as early as the 5th century BC if not 100 years before that. I didn't see you back up that assertion ... but at any rate it doesn't change the fact that Clement based his claim on scripture.
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How long do you think man's been around? Since creation.
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Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)
Clement was a 2nd century church father. The following is taken from his writing called The Instructor, which I’m citing from the very last page of Book III entitled To The Paedagous:
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“And when the seasons, in their circling course,
Winter and summer, spring and autumn, each
Should come, according to well-ordered plan;
Out of a confused heap who didst create
This ordered sphere, and from the shapeless mass
Of matter didst the universe adorn;--
Grant to me life, and be that life well spent,
Thy grace enjoying; let me act and speak
In all things as Thy Holy Scriptures teach”
(Ante-Nicene Christian Library, Vol.1).
Clement says the he learned from the scriptures about the sphere of the earth.
Greeks know the earth was spherical at least as early as the 5th century BC if not 100 years before that. I didn't see you back up that assertion ... but at any rate it doesn't change the fact that Clement based his claim on scripture. And what non-circular reason do you have for anyone to care what's written in the scripture? Until you can demonstrate that your so called god even exists, claims bases in scripture are irrelevant.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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How long do you think man's been around? Since creation. And how long ago was that?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)
Clement was a 2nd century church father. The following is taken from his writing called The Instructor, which I’m citing from the very last page of Book III entitled To The Paedagous:
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“And when the seasons, in their circling course,
Winter and summer, spring and autumn, each
Should come, according to well-ordered plan;
Out of a confused heap who didst create
This ordered sphere, and from the shapeless mass
Of matter didst the universe adorn;--
Grant to me life, and be that life well spent,
Thy grace enjoying; let me act and speak
In all things as Thy Holy Scriptures teach”
(Ante-Nicene Christian Library, Vol.1).
Clement says the he learned from the scriptures about the sphere of the earth.
Greeks know the earth was spherical at least as early as the 5th century BC if not 100 years before that. Pythagoras speculated but it wasn't recognized as proven till the 2-3rd century. Isaiah recorded it as fact long before that.
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Nothing existed before God, except God. NIce assertion. I see you provided no evidence to support it. The assertion is fallacious. By definition going back to the philosophical musings of the ancient Greeks god as an unrestricted uncaused being had to always exist. Therefore an expression of the possibility of being before god is meaningless. But on the other hand there you go. A philosophical proof of god.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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Clement of Alexandria (150-215 A.D.)
Clement was a 2nd century church father. The following is taken from his writing called The Instructor, which I’m citing from the very last page of Book III entitled To The Paedagous:
Quote:
“And when the seasons, in their circling course,
Winter and summer, spring and autumn, each
Should come, according to well-ordered plan;
Out of a confused heap who didst create
This ordered sphere, and from the shapeless mass
Of matter didst the universe adorn;--
Grant to me life, and be that life well spent,
Thy grace enjoying; let me act and speak
In all things as Thy Holy Scriptures teach”
(Ante-Nicene Christian Library, Vol.1).
Clement says the he learned from the scriptures about the sphere of the earth.
Greeks know the earth was spherical at least as early as the 5th century BC if not 100 years before that. I didn't see you back up that assertion ... but at any rate it doesn't change the fact that Clement based his claim on scripture. And what non-circular reason do you have for anyone to care what's written in the scripture? Until you can demonstrate that your so called god even exists, claims bases in scripture are irrelevant. A bit caustic aye...I was asked to provide evidence from scripture because someone thought I couldn't....when I do I shouldn't have ... this illustrates my point about skeptics...they don't use consistent reasoning. They follow a line until it fails and then pick up a contradictory line never realizing their flip flops cancel out their own arguments.
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How long do you think man's been around? Since creation. And how long ago was that? I don't know of any way to precisely ascertain it.
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First you have to define "man." With or without a soul?
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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Even easier. By definition God is not constrained by anything. Least of all someone's opinion of how he should act. We're interested in what our relationship with God actually is, not what we think it should be.
God is restrained in one thing: He is not man that He should lie or do anything wrong. The Lord is Righteous in all His ways and faithful in all He does. How do you explain the atrocities in the OT? What makes them atrocities? By any standard of decency we have. Is it considered fair and just to slaughter women and children, take the virgins as sex slaves? This stuff doesn't come from any sort of God, it's just a reflection of the beliefs, attitudes and moral of the people who wrote their stories in their own time and place in history. Which is why God had a makeover in new testament times, influence from Greek Philosophy, etc.....St Paul himself borrowing heavily from Greek philosophy from his time spent in Greece.
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How long do you think man's been around? Since creation. And how long ago was that? I don't know of any way to precisely ascertain it. In my reading of what I consider the best evidence available, I believe the local presentations of the universe is about 13.7 billion years old. the earths around 4.5 billion years old, and modern mans been around for 100,000 to 250,000 years. What do you thinks closer, the numbers I proposed above, or those proposed by Bishop Ussher with all three created around 6,000 years ago?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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First you have to define "man." With or without a soul? Have you provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate that souls exist? For the sake of simplicity lets say modern humans, i.e. homo-sapien-sapiens.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Within the biblical texts, how many people are killed by Satan, and how many are killed by, or at the direction of God?[/quote]
Seems to me He needs to kill a whole lot more. I would. [/quote]
So much for "all loving".....[/quote]
A mother can love her murderous son. It doesnt mean he doesnt need killing.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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[/quote]
Seems to me He needs to kill a whole lot more. I would. [/quote]
well, yeah. but there it is.
the first rule was to kill all the heathen.
the second rule was to offer forgiveness to the ones that want it.
what about the third rule?
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Show me that first rule in scripture, Gus.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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First you have to define "man." With or without a soul? Have you provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate that souls exist? For the sake of simplicity lets say modern humans, i.e. homo-sapien-sapiens. No and the existence of a human soul is so painfully obvious that I'm not going to. If you're seriously interested here's a good article from a scientific point of view: 70,000 Years Ago, What Made Us Human: The Origin of a Soul?Homo sapien sapiens, about 200,000 years ago. But that's boring. More interesting is when did man become distinguished from animals. As the title suggests about 70,000 years ago. Syntactical speech was a big one. And others such as ritual burial of the dead (and much more) suggest an enlightenment which is generally characterized as a soul.
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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Are you kidding, NH. Do you think Satan would be interested? Why should he be? Doesent he have enough suckers signed up to burn for eternity without learning new tricks to sucker in people like Rimfire?
You somehow think his wings have clipped. It hasnt happened yet. He hasnt been cast yet into the Lake of Fire, just yet.
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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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What are you talking about?
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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